big problem is, scarlet's trial would rely HEAVILY on the testimony of victor von doom. without him, her whole defence case would fall apart. and everybody knows it too, which is why i suspect there's such a strong opposition to her facing justice.
big problem is, scarlet's trial would rely HEAVILY on the testimony of victor von doom. without him, her whole defence case would fall apart. and everybody knows it too, which is why i suspect there's such a strong opposition to her facing justice.
Maybe when this thread is closed down it should be replaced with a giant sticker that says "WHATEVER THE WRITERS AND EDITORS WANT TO HAPPEN, WILL HAPPEN."
You talk like these are real people and the outcome would depend on the facts and evidence and available witnesses, as if any of these things aren't made up for the result the writer wants.
Talking about how the story made us feel, how it was a bad or good story, that kind of thing? When we get into discussing what would happen at a trial that hasn't been written, though, that's just fan fiction.
Also while the stories are made up, taken together there's an essence to the characters that the writer doesn't get to decide on. Which is why the Scarlet Witch is not a self-hating mutant even though she briefly was written as one in one speech in House of M. I like to say the stories are made up but the characters are sort of real, and a writer making up a bad story doesn't instantly change who the character is.
According to Rememder, she remembers but she doesnt care at all, and sincerely doesnt get why anyone would still be angry at her for it.
And about the broccoli people, Jean already paid for that, and she has been in a trial TWICE.
Well, given that Wanda is kind-of in the same category as the Phoenix, a malevolent planet-destroying force, so.....................
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I'm afraid it does to me. For me part of the story is suspension of disbelief and part of that is thinking of these characters as real people with real lives. Yes the writers and editors are gods, they can decide what goes on in the title, but I get to decide if it is good or not and more I reserve to myself the right to decide why it is good or not. That is my right as a reader.
Oh, that's fine. But this is where we have to differ. I feel like accepting every story as if it's equally "real" is a way of making the characters less real. If any story can change who a character is, with no buildup, then it's like the characters have no reality and are just puppets.
For me, the characters have a reality to them that is earned from many years of stories, and no one story on its own can change that. That doesn't mean you can't show how a good character goes bad and the fans will never accept it. It just means a writer should have the burden of proof to show us how the character gets from this good place to this bad place. But if Batman suddenly starts snapping people's necks after decades when "Batman doesn't kill" is an essential part of his character? No way, that's not Batman, and even if the writer doesn't want it to be retconned as mind control, it certainly will be.
Really, the only 2 people in the room that wanted to kill Wanda at the start of House of M was Wolverine and Emma. Everyone else was pretty much against it. Steve flat out rejected it, and Scott questioned to Xavier why they were even considering it (which likley implied Xavier at least might have been on the fence though he never actually supported doing it).
After House of M some of the X-Men might have wanted to kill her certainly... but the point of CC was one the possession/Doom reveal was made they decided to walk away and leave her be.
The Avengers, SHIELD, and X-Men all know what happened and they all basically decided nothing more needed to be done. Which essentially was marvel saying nothing more needed to be done. People are still mad at her... but she was allowed to walk free. In that regard, its basically a dead issue.
Since Marvel wants Wanda to be free, again the ONLY reason to put her on trial would be to give her an innocent verdict to give her more of a pass than she's already received. And I'm just not sure it's even worth it at this point.
*sigh* more misinformed opinions. I thought all X-men fans would have read this story as I did years ago but Wanda and Pietro were rescued by Magneto from a mob that was attacking them because they had seen Wanda using her powers. Magneto took them into his group which already consisted of the Toad and Mastermind. They felt indebted to him for helping them but later left when they saw the kind of man he was. Maybe you should buy the Marvel Masterworks for the X-Men or get a Marvel Digital subscription and read up. The Maximoff siblings have been heroes for far longer than their brief association with Magneto. Black Widow and Hawkeye used to be Iron Man villains a long time ago. Do you still consider them "villainous"?
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Here it goes Again, I will not exit this one as fast as I did the last one, will see where this one goes for the time being. =/
Yes, Facts of the story is how you put it Iron Maiden, both in the Origin 1960's and in the Avengers Origins Story, the Twins where not their cause of a belief in the Brotherhood or Villainy for that matter. They where held hostage to a debt they had to pay to Magneto cause they saved them from an angry mob. They had to repay him and need to since he was at his most Megalomaniac state in the comics at this time and he was Dangerous.
Pretty Much they where never apart of the Brotherhood, they where hostage fighters of an Very Powerful and Dangerous Megalomaniac.
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I might add here that when they applied for Avengers membership they contrasted the camaraderie there with the fear and distrust in the Brotherhood and were encouraged by it. And prior to that they attempted to contact the Fantastic Four only to be rebuffed by Johnny and Ben.
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Indeed Ravin' Ray, I know the moment you are talking about with Johnny and Ben, sadly I don't have an image. I do have the one where they are applying to the Avengers in Avengers #16 and indeed that is where they would find the opposite view of the Horror and Captivity they experience in the Brotherhood.
It was also referenced in Avengers #16 their experience with the Brotherhood:
"By Earth and Sky, By Craft and Hex -- By The Past and The Future – I Call HOPE Forth From The DARKNESS! I Speak The Words We Made Into MAGIC! Let THEIR Power Augment Our OWN! To Strike ONE BLOW From Our HEARTS and SOULS – From ALL THAT WE ARE! Let The CALL Go Forth -- AVENGERS! ASSEMBLE!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff ~~ From Avengers #689!
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Should Wanda go on Trial?
I dunno.
But it IS something I'd very much enjoy seeing addressed -- and not just with Wanda, but with various other heroes and heroines who've done some pretty epic feck ups of recent.
Beast's continued tampering with the space/time contiuum for example.
Cyclops's not-so-revolutionary-Revolution, post Phoenix-fication.
Wolverine's many kill squads -- which I still feel wasn't addressed as appropriately as it could have been within the Uncanny Avengers.
I'd really like to see justifications for treatment of Cyclops vs. Wanda in particular.
Is it simply that Wanda "gave herself up", upon her return, that kept her out of prison, whereas Cyclops was more-so "taken in" ?
Its these little details that I'm very interested in.