RACHEL GREY/SUMMERS, the Phoenix/Mother Askani Appreciation

[DDM]

Rachel: mentally controlled by everything but The Phoenix.

[comradepitrovsky]

Rachel has some control issues. My headcanon is that some of the hound programming just never really went away.

[Thirteen]

Seriously. At least Polaris has really only been controlled by forms of Malice. Rachel has the US Government, Ahab, Mojo, Bogan, Mesmero (like 4x), & now Cassie Nova.
Rachel: "i'm not only the President, I'm also a client."

The support groups slogan has already been written...

[juan678]

[WallStreeter]

Seriously. At least Polaris has really only been controlled by forms of Malice. Rachel has the US Government, Ahab, Mojo, Bogan, Mesmero (like 4x), & now Cassie Nova.
Rachel: "i'm not only the President, I'm also a client."

Polaris also recently broke and killed the new Malice, showing her mental shields and willpower have grown over the years.

Rachel was written as pretty kick ass for the most part, until Guggenheim more or less decided to throw everyone else on the team under the bus to make Kitty look great.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

That wasn't the new Malice if memory serves that was the Ultimate version of Malice, not the 616 one...in other words a much weaker version of Malice...

[comradepitrovsky]

Remember when the Shadow King mind controlled Kitty and Rachel by putting them in skimpier and skimpier bondage gear? Oh, Chris...

[Celestialbodies]

Remember when the Shadow King mind controlled Kitty and Rachel by putting them in skimpier and skimpier bondage gear? Oh, Chris...

!? Okay, I'll shoot how'd he managed that?

[LoganAlpha30X33]

With CC does it really matter...though you know what they say, without showing the panel(s) it didn't happen...

[comradepitrovsky]

!? Okay, I'll shoot how'd he managed that?

It's from New Excalibur. The Shadow King was mind-controlling a parallel universe Xavier.
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[WallStreeter]

That wasn't the new Malice if memory serves that was the Ultimate version of Malice, not the 616 one...in other words a much weaker version of Malice...

There's no proof she was much weaker. She was disoriented by being in a new world and working for Miss Sinister, but her powers worked the same as the original Malice. And Polaris fought off her mind control. Give female characters credit for growth and power, and especially give them credit for things beyond having boyfriends.

Lorna now has resistance to mind control, where's previously she hadn't shown that. In recent years she has shown to be a powerful as her father, who can resist mind control. And now we know Lorna can too.

[AbnormallyNormal]

There's no proof she was much weaker. She was disoriented by being in a new world and working for Miss Sinister, but her powers worked the same as the original Malice. And Polaris fought off her mind control. Give female characters credit for growth and power, and especially give them credit for things beyond having boyfriends.

Lorna now has resistance to mind control, where's previously she hadn't shown that. In recent years she has shown to be a powerful as her father, who can resist mind control. And now we know Lorna can too.

True. I just hope other writers 1) Even use Lorna and 2) Remember the developments Bunn gave her.

[Havok83]

There's no proof she was much weaker. She was disoriented by being in a new world and working for Miss Sinister, but her powers worked the same as the original Malice. And Polaris fought off her mind control. Give female characters credit for growth and power, and especially give them credit for things beyond having boyfriends.

Lorna now has resistance to mind control, where's previously she hadn't shown that. In recent years she has shown to be a powerful as her father, who can resist mind control. And now we know Lorna can too.

Lorna herself said that Malice wasnt as strong as the original. She credited her being able to overcome her bc she was weakened and confused.

It's from New Excalibur. The Shadow King was mind-controlling a parallel universe Xavier.

Really? Lord have mercy. I didnt know she was possessed by yet another character. Dang, Rachel had it bad

After the Red subplot is resolved, anyone want to see Rachel train with Jean to increase her telepathic resistance? She unfortunately has canonically been way too vulnerable over the years

[Knives]

Rachel: mentally controlled by everything but The Phoenix.

Quite ironic considering that even when dealing with Phoenix rarely anyone remembers her or asks for her help.

Controlling Phoenix should be a great achievement and a sign of willpower.

[Wiccan]

Quite ironic considering that even when dealing with Phoenix rarely anyone remembers her or asks for her help.

Why would they ever ask her for help when they can ask Iron Fist instead? He's the real deal.