I don't even think they're doing that much (the possible idea of the GoW mantle trying to change Diana in her own title notwithstanding, but that's just a storyline). As she is now, she's really no more dark than she's been for a decade now.
I don't even think they're doing that much (the possible idea of the GoW mantle trying to change Diana in her own title notwithstanding, but that's just a storyline). As she is now, she's really no more dark than she's been for a decade now.
Actually I think he would've done the opposite. Had he been given total creative freedom, I read that Azzarello would've had Wonder Woman hang up her sword, she would've just gone around proselytizing people. Perhaps you would've prefered that. As for becoming the God of War, I don't get what's all the fuss about, Wonder Woman hails from a society of "war"riors, she just basically got a promotion. War is inevitable in a world fraught with evil, War for Wonder Woman is a means of protecting peace from those who seek to destroy it. War in and of itself can be quite a noble thing. For me Soule's "War is Darkness, Wonder Woman is light" approach is incredibly reductive and just plain retarded really.
yes, I wouldn't look at her. now circe? check the hell out of her
that is a nice way to put it, circe could be magical and something out of this world. It's much more fittingIt's the most fitting word I could come up with to describe the debut appearance of Circe in the New 52. I could also have used eerie or otherwordly, she was to Joe Rock the same as Galadriel in LotR was to most non-elves. When encounteres, she didn't have to say a word and they knew they were in the presence of someone far older, wiser and far more powerful than them.
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Have you read the latest issue of WW solo comic and the latest arc of her comic with SM, she is clearly a bloodlusting War God!! I think it's clear to see their heading in that direction with her character! She's fighting with BM about killing , SM had to stop her from killing in her solo comic. She doesn't care who get hurt as long as she can do her job as a War God, looking to kill the villain in that comic with SM!! Now that she is the God of War, she thinks she has the right to play judge and jury, being the God of War give her the right to kill whoever she thinks is a threat! I can't see her being allowed to stay in the League or remain a member of the trinity, their not a bunch of murderers like she is becoming! She is getting darker it's very clear to see!!! I wouldn't be surprised that in the upcoming event in the JL series, the darkseid war if she doesn't turn against the league and become the dark War God Dc and Azz. intend her to be all along!!
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Let me disagree with you that any war is ever noble. It's usually a last resort in terms of fighting for peace. But the idea that war is some great task to maintain peace is contradiction. War is something you do when all else fails. Speak to people who have been in war, lived through one and they will never agree with you. They might have preferred there was no need for it in the first place and non violent means could have worked. But such is the baser nature of man it seems. And there are different factors that drives war any way.
But it is kinda ironic you drum Soule because Soule is the only one who did explore what being God of War could mean for Diana in Future's End WW while no one else has. It's just a title she's strutting around it. Even in Azzarello's WW and every other book she's saying she is God of War and no one knows what the heck it means to her or what powers it brings or what influence at all she has on war and mankind and what that means to the universe. The fact that there is war and constant fighting in the DCU does that mean she's failing or winning? Can she call upon all soldiers? Five Years later in Future's End series one writer is Azz himself our God of War seems useless to me. Diana is barely in the book that is about a large DCU event. Shouldn't she doing something more? What has Azz forgot he made her GOW? She has done nothing different in any of the books to be honest other than shouting I am Diana God of War. In JL where everyone is is lauding Geoff's writing of her...she could have just been Zeus daughter and that would be adequate. So this God of War thing so far as I am concerned Azzarello himself had a right to flesh it out and not dump it on others. And fans shouldn't be blaming other writers for what Azz started and did not finish. And we going OT too.
At least in this book the topic being Circe...she has been redesigned, given motivations, personality and abilities in only a couple of issues. Kudos to Tomasi for that alone.
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And the fact that Diana just woke up from a nightmare about being the God of War that was apparently brought on by Strife, doesn't mean anything, right?
The fact that Diana just questioned whether or not being the God of War is making her more violent means nothing, right? Yeah, "Hippolyta's ghost" just came along and told Diana that that ain't so, but that seems awfully convenient, no?
The God of War thing MAY be turning Diana darker. But she's already questioning that fact, and Soule already planted the seeds for Diana realizing that being the God of Wr is not for her. She's going to either find a way to get control of being the God of War, or she's going to find a way to get rid of the title altogether LONG before she does anything truly irredeemable.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
You haven't disagreed with me at all. I think we all wish the world was all puppies and butterflies but unfortunately humans are selfish and some take that selfishness very far. I think there's no such thing as selflessness really, even when you think you're helping others, you're doing so to appease your conscience so selfishness is still at the bottom of it. I did say war is inevitable because the nature of (wo)men is essentially competitive, if one party avoids conflict, the other will only take advantage to plunge them in a world of pain. And that's where Superheroes come in. In the right hands, ie. not Soule's hands or Meredith's, this God of War twist can be absolutely brilliant, with just a wee bit of imagination.
With that said, I agree with you, there's been no follow up sadly and I think that's because being the God of War should place Wonder Woman in a prominent position where she's just not supposed to be. That spot as we know belongs to Superman. I'm eager to see what her role will be in the upcoming Darkseid War.
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I was quite relieved when Hippolyta told Diana that becoming the God of War had nothing to do with her dodgy behavior. Wonder Woman is on the cusp of a meltdown right now, it's probably just a fuite en avant. She's going to bounce back eventually. Geoff's Wonder Woman already did.
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I doubt it, since Circe's greatest power appeares to be the one she can cast over others. Right now she may have gotten hold of Superman, once that's over there's no one left.
The talking head is doing one thing: talking.
Yet when she was done, she kept on talking, now offended Diana interrupted the next part of her epic monologue.
Sure, but incase you missed it, holding onto him also happened to be the reason he stayed with her.
Which it not putting one self on display.
In a skintight outfit that leaves nothing to the imagination, plus she poses as if there's an audience in front of her thats being mezmerized by her curves.
Yet nothing tells you she has any before she actually uses it.
Would you know that before she said anything?
"Whoever you are, I will hurt you most severely." That doesn't sound like a line spoken by someone terribly impressed or worried.
That is true, it takes an adult to see the danger in the MoW appearance, but every child can see it in the other.
Thats terribly contradictionary way of describing him. Like "He's terribly brave, but will run for the hills at the first sign of danger." He doesn't consider himself a gentleman.
I REPEAT: Why would Circe dress this way?
Are you ever going to answer this?
Yes and we all remember the story of that date... oh wait.
Leaving nothing to the imagination.
Super-cape: In many incarnations it's the only pience of clothing left from Krypton, the blanket they wrapped him in before sending him away. In the New 52 it's even the only part of his suit thats truly indestructible. It may serve little to no practical purpose for him in many cases, but it has a symbolic one to him. Plus as we've seen it's handy when needing to protect others.
Diana's Tiara: At the very least it reminds us that she is in fact a princess. Otherwise it also serves as a kind of helmet.
Flash's antenna's: I was under the impression he has a form of radio communication embedded in them the same way they are in Batman's cowl.
The swimsuit: While I do agree that traditionally Diana's outfit is out of tune with it's Amazon background when they were all running around in chitons and hoplite armor. The New52 has atleast made the rest of the Amazons wear vaguely similar attire. As for it's purpose, well it usually symbolic. In the past to calm American minds, now it also denotes her rank amongst the Amazons.
Do you know who or what Circe has been hanging out with for the past 3000 years to make that claim?
And you think they are going to look at the current one and go: "Wow, how epic! We can certainly use her!" And not mock the silly design the same way people are mocking Finch's White Rabbit who's wearing an almost identical costume to Circe's.
Having to show power is an indicator of personal insecurity. Take Carey's Lucifer as an unrelated example, he rarely had to show any of his power yet everyone knew damn well not to provoke him.
And the result was worse, instead of actually trying they went for the low hanging fruit of sex appeal and childish power displays.
Pure speculation on your part.
Circe has gone toe-to-toe with Diana in the past. No reason to assume she can't or won't do it again.
Explaining her backstory. The way villains do in pretty much every book ever.The talking head is doing one thing: talking.
Oh, and she still captured Diana and turned Superman into a beast with a gesture. MOW Circe did what besides talk, again?
Still didn't need to rub herself all over himSure, but incase you missed it, holding onto him also happened to be the reason he stayed with her.
Being naked IS putting yourself on display. I don't know where you get this idea from.Which it not putting one self on display.
And MOW Circe is wearing nothing at all and rubbing her curves all over an unwilling dude.In a skintight outfit that leaves nothing to the imagination, plus she poses as if there's an audience in front of her thats being mezmerized by her curves.
No, the crazy eyes and the cruel smile will tell me that I don't want to get too close to her.Yet nothing tells you she has any before she actually uses it.
Lap-dance Guy from MOW? Mere mortal. No powers. Never encountered the supernatural in his life."Whoever you are, I will hurt you most severely." That doesn't sound like a line spoken by someone terribly impressed or worried.
Wonder Woman? Superhero. God. Routinely encounters supernatural beings of terrible power and kicks their asses. OF COURSE she's not going to be awestruck by one more supernatural badass.
WHAT danger? The danger that she can snatch one dude, give him a lap dance, and then return him to Earth? That's not dangerous. I'm an adult. I'm not the least bit threatened by the mysterious Sky Stripper.That is true, it takes an adult to see the danger in the MoW appearance, but every child can see it in the other.
He doesn't consider himself a biker either.Thats terribly contradictionary way of describing him. Like "He's terribly brave, but will run for the hills at the first sign of danger." He doesn't consider himself a gentleman.
Are YOU ever going to answer why a Sky Stripper is more dangerous than a witch who is currently winning against Superman and Wonder Woman?I REPEAT: Why would Circe dress this way?
Are you ever going to answer this?
Why would she dress in dominatrix gear? Because Circe is powerful and likes dominating people. What a surprise that she chooses to dress the part.
Being naked leaves even less to the imagination.Leaving nothing to the imagination.
Let's see, will writers look at a powerful woman who is currently smacking around Superman and Wonder Woman with ease and say "Okay, if I want a powerful Wonder Woman villain in my story, then this lady seems like a strong contender?" Yeah, I think so.And you think they are going to look at the current one and go: "Wow, how epic! We can certainly use her!" And not mock the silly design the same way people are mocking Finch's White Rabbit who's wearing an almost identical costume to Circe's.
On the other hand, writers look at MOW. "Ummmmm what the Hell can I do with a Sky Stripper? Pass."
And what possible reason does anyone have for thinking "Let's not provoke the Sky Stripper," again? She did nothing. She gave no indication that she can do anything but abduct men, play with them, and send them home.Having to show power is an indicator of personal insecurity. Take Carey's Lucifer as an unrelated example, he rarely had to show any of his power yet everyone knew damn well not to provoke him.
And really? Circe should never use her powers? She should just walk around and have everyone go "Oh, no! It's Circe! She's powerful! Run!" And never show us anything to back up that claim?
Childish? She's acting on her motivation as a villain. She hates Diana and wants to destroy her. So she's using her power to try to destroy her.And the result was worse, instead of actually trying they went for the low hanging fruit of sex appeal and childish power displays.
But, I guess she could always kidnap Diana and give her a lap dance. Now THAT will show the comic book world that Circe is to be feared!
Oh, and MOW showed sex appeal and childish power displays too. A naked chick rubbing herself all over a dude is sex appeal. This woman using her power to abduct a powerless mortal for her own amusement is pretty much the DEFINITITON of childish behavior.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
As if you are not indulging in speculation when you claim that following the fight with Superman another with Circe will immediately commence, when history has shown Circe to prefer retreating rather than risk loosing and capture.
Unnessesarily by all accounts. Nearly everyone in the western world knows who Circe is, Diana sussed that out after a moment, so no need there. Then you get the long-form explanation... which is something that belongs in an old Bond movie. And lo and behold, like all Bond movies the monologue allowed the hero to break free...
As you like to point out: abduct a man to deliver a message. MoW Circe talked because thats how messages work, SM/WW talked for no real reason.
Need? No. But clearly she thought it was amusing.
So you think girls in bikini's on beaches are just showing off?
For her own amusement.
Her eyes just glow, there's nothing crazy in them. Dunno how you differentiate between smiles.
Diana is not stupid, she knows that whoever is going to come gunning for her and her BF is not going to be some happy-go-luck pushover. But that said, when she is written by someone competent, she doesn't come with a smart mouth either. So either Diana changed her personality a bit or Circe doesn't come across as terribly threatening to her.
Then you must not be concerned about a truck that's coming towards you.
So Circe considers herself a stripper in the name of personal freedom?
I've TOLD you why about 5 times now, but it just doesn't seem to be something you understand.
So Lex would be right at home in the same kind of attire since he has power and likes to rule over people as well.
Then why do we have a better estimation of her cup-size from SM/WW than MoW?
If the writer is short on talent, sure. And to go with her, there is Doomsday, another uncomplicated and uninteresting villain for them to use.
Sigh... you still don't get it.
You do know why Darkseid can rule an entire planet without having to blast and smash parts of it?
She had an entire issue to do so, but wasted it on monologue and posturing. So yeah, childish, if her self-confidence was in check she wouldn't have needed to use it.
Would be more interesting than boring our ears off with the endless monologue.
Did she show sex appeal? Yes, unless you wear a burka, everyone does.
Is holding onto him sex appeal? No.
Is using her powers childish? Apparently you've forgotten she plucked him out of an active battlefield away from his squadmates and had a message he needed to hear. You try and have an important conversation while the reciever is returning fire.
No it doesn't.
Hmm, my people? I suppose 'my people' are just the ones not spitting with fanboy rage over Odinson not having his hammer for once while forgetting it's not the first time another human has wielded it (far from it), it's not the first time Thor's been drastically changed and you have an alien that frequently wields the hammer. I suppose 'my people' are just readers open enough to see a woman use it for once.
And thats your buisness.