Well, I don't remember how it was received at the time, but I can tell you that, recently on the pre reboot CBR forum, there was actually a few discussions on Civil War and the overwhelming majority of the comments were in the line of "that embarassing story where every one was acting out of character for the sake of having the heroes come to blows and put their friends into the Negative Zone". I was actually quite surprised. And overall, it seems like it's not very well liked on the internet. And I clearly remember people being like "Are they still in Savage Land, for Uathu's sake?" for Secret Invasion, and complaining about it being the least secret invasion ever. In the end, I'd say both had interesting premisses, but ultimately failed due to their very status as events, preventing them from dealing with their subject in the subtle manner required. Big crazy action only works to an extend when you have to deal with the consequences of a law turning superheroes into governement agents, or when portraying an invasion that's supposed to be a f.cking secret.
As far as Blackest Night went.....meh. Dead heroes coming back to life so they can act like trolls to living heroes wasn't that interesting a premisse to begin with.
And please....I was hating on events and Geoff Johns before it became cool to do so.
Hold those chains, Clark Kent
Bear the weight on your shoulders
Stand firm. Take the pain.
Marvel can't do Civil War. None of their heroes have secret identities.
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I do agree with your point about DC doing something different...but they can still do it with the phases idea (not that I want them to do it...but, I would be interested in what they come up with).
What they are doing right now is different...not doing solo movies and not leading directly into the 'main' movie (both of which have been done by other studios), but using two movies to establish the trio (most popular/widely recognized superhero characters - Superman, Batman and WW).
I loved Man of Steel and all the themes it explored (That's why I like DC movies; they tend to make us think...Marvel movies? Not so much. But, they are fun to watch).
Agreed with your point about Arrowverse...Just because Marvel is doing it, doesn't mean DC should. I like that they are encouraging different takes on each characters. TV Shows allows these characters to be introduced to the audience (a smaller audience, of course). But, if the shows are good, those folks are bound to show up for the movies (assuming they promote it well)...and if the movie is good, they will recommend it to their friends..leading to more business.
Starro would be awesome..but, would it be too comicbooky? (As far as the general audience are concerned, it's a giant octopus). Not sure how they can make it work with their realistic universe.
White Martians...that is even more awesome. A great way to introduce Martian Manhunter.
Agreed.
Also give him some character (In origins, it felt like Darkseid is just another baddie).
Well, they are going with the realistic universe, so I am not sure whether we will see all that...but, I would love for DC to do that!
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That's how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men....Cruel - Alfred.
This may be the only thing that I do that matters - Bruce.
Stay down, if I wanted it, you would be dead already - Clark.
DC Extended Universe Thread (DCEU)
That's how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men....Cruel - Alfred.
This may be the only thing that I do that matters - Bruce.
Stay down, if I wanted it, you would be dead already - Clark.
well I guess we wont see eye to eye on many things. While I am not the biggest fan of Secret Invasion, I thought Civil War was very cool and it has high ratings on comic book shop-websites and was critically well received as well. When Fear Itself came out I read a lot of comments online like "It doesnt have the quality of Marvels best events like Civil war etc."
But again as I said, this is all a matter of personal point of view and preference. I dont have a problem if the majority on CBR hates Civil War, it wont change my perception of it. Also the (albeit very vocal) online communites dont make up 100 % of the readership and the people who buy comics. There are probabably millions of people who regularly buy comics, who never come on forums like this. So even if the majority on CBR has a negative opinion on something, that doesnt mean all that much really because they make only a small percentage of the entire readership and someone elses opinion certainly will not make me suddenly dislike a comic I previously loved.
Well and about Blackest Night - thats where we see things so vastly different. I LOVE that premise that dead heroes (and villains) that we havent seen for a long time, who are missed by the characters or whom they have certain history with come back to life and torment the living characters. If I would imagine my own father becoming reanimated as a horrible creature that torments me - it would rip my heart out. And thats exactly the kind of emotionally powerful storytelling that I love in comics. When it goes for the pain and the heart. Blackest Night had so many great moments that affected me emotionally. What you mock as "meh" and "trolling the heroes" to me is exactly the kind of emotional comic book story that I love. And thats why we can debate this for the next 10 years and it wont change anything. I love this kind of story, you dont. Lets move on, please. I really dont want to have the whole "hater vs defender" debate about stuff that I love. Different people like different things, lets leave it at that.
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Finally someone who also loved Man of Steel. I feel like all I am ever doing on the internet is to defend that movie to haters and having to justify why I love it.
Agree with Punisher...it really depends upon the execution. Since 70% of Earth is covered in water (and don't forget all the aquatic life...a large percentage of Earth's species, many of which we haven't even discovered.
MOS Superman is strong and all, but he isn't strong/fast enough to stop all the water drowning cities, save all the people (okay, maybe most), battle all the Atlanteans..oh, don't forget Aquaman.
Sure, he could get a lot of help from the world militaries...but, don't forget that the Atlanteans are technologically advanced and far more superior.
They could do it.....it would be very expensive though (Yes, WB has the money, but I doubt that an older studio like WB would take those chances. Marvel is a younger studio...they took some chances, and have been rewarded heavily for it).
DC Extended Universe Thread (DCEU)
That's how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men....Cruel - Alfred.
This may be the only thing that I do that matters - Bruce.
Stay down, if I wanted it, you would be dead already - Clark.
Thank you! A very well-written response, and you explained why you didn't like it without resorting to the usual anti-Morrison rhetoric.
While I both agree & disagree (I found parts of it confusing on my first couple reads, but eventually it clicked and is now my favorite DC story of all-time), I couldn't "like" your post more. Thank you!
And for the record, when I suggested adapting it, I meant an adaptation that focuses on the JL characters & excluding the rest...Darkseid & his minions take over, Superman in the future, Batman captured, etc. But definitely no Montoya, no "Supermen of the Multiverse", no Monitors, no Manndrak, and none of the extraneous stuff. Much, much simpler than the book.
Starro could totally work as some screwed up Lovecraft type cosmic god.
Perhaps he enslaved the White Martians a few hundred years ago, and now wants Earth.
The Justice League needs threats that encompass all time and space, not just the fate of a city.
Does anyone know whatever happened to the 4 low budget movies DC announced? (Suicide Squad, Booster Gold, Deathstroke, and Team 7) I haven't heard anything about those movie's since they were announced. Have they been cancelled or something?
it's my fanboy dream to see Darkseid on the big screen. as much as i loved the Avengers it kind of broke my heart to see Thanos at the end. i knew it may crush any chance of seeing Darkseid in a movie.
but now there is definitely hope. if they can use MoS 2 to foreshadow an invasion from Apokolips it would be amazing to see the Justice League face him in their first outing.
maybe have Darkseid use Lex as his liaison to earth instead of Ugly Manheim. Lex has made deals with Brainiac in the past, they can just change roles. Lex for Manheim and Darkseid for Brainiac.
studios have to take into consideration the similarities between villains and characters. It does seem Marvel and WB/DC are in a race to get their version of similar characters to the live action universe. I don't think it was a coinsidence that DC decide to make a Flash tv show soon after Marvel decided to have Quicksilver in The Avengers sequel. And have you seen Marvel's newest version of Deathlok? He's pretty much Cyborg (yes I know Deathlok was created first). They made him look similar to the Agents of Shield version. Interesting that they'd change his look to resemble a character DC has given a huge push.
So you know it would be huge for WB/DC to have Darkseid face the Justice League before Thanos faces the Avengers. There's no doubt they realize this too.
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Personally I am getting really sick of the constant comparisons between Marvel and DC. Its always "DC has to do this and that because Marvel did it or before Marvel can do it" . And its because of constant thinking like that among the audience that DC is always looking at what Marvel does and playing catch up instead of simply focusing on doing their own thing. Thats why Marvel has had a clear plan and vision for years while DC has always been unfocused and all over the place. In my opinion not only DC/WB but most of all the fans really need to STOP turning this into an endless battle/race between Marvel and DC and start accepting and respecting that these are two different universes that need their own identities and need to do their own thing without looking every 2 seconds over their shoulders at what the other company is doing. So, so, so sick of this endless Marvel vs DC debate.
It shouldnt matter who does what first or who is adapting which character. All that should matter is the story and the characters and making the best possible movies. Who gives a damn wether Quicksilver or Flash, Ms Marvel or Wonder Woman, Thanos or Darkseid come first? This is starting to feel like an election year where all that matters for politicians is who ends up in office instead of focusing on whats best for everybody.
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