DC Extended Universe (POST NO SPOILERS HERE!)

[BlackClaw]

Remember that the DCEU's foundation was not stellar either.

Man of Steel was a fine sit with a few problems and then they tried to play catch up with Marvel and made the single worst major superhero movie of the decade. It redefined a bad superhero movie in today's climate. Then you have Suicide Squad which at best was mediocre. Not to mention that the only profitable theater venture they had was a Batman trilogy that's world famous, the Nolan Batman was Batman for the general audience, and to see him suddenly become a killer with no context? Even if Snyder's vision went through the mass public was going to reject it.

You had a darker universe that nobody asked for with no context for what's going to be your big selling point (The Justice League). It's no wonder this didn't take off because you also have the biggest competitor (Marvel) being the studio that can make movies that appeal to so many people it doesn't matter if it doesn't appeal to us. Kids like it, adults like it, it's bringing people into comic stores, it's selling toys, it's as big as Star Wars right now. And then to just go out and do everything the audience rejected long ago? Sure hindsight is 2020 but this was almost every wrong move.

Amen to all of this. And I also agree with your statement on Man of Steel. It was a good movie IMO, but the DCEU killed any good will it had with me when Snyder decided to kill off Superman in BvS. Now doing an adaptation of "Death of Superman" isn't a bad idea, hell it's one of the most defining moments in the characters history. It's just the fact that Supes was killed off in only the second goddamn movie in the franchise is what pissed me off. The minute they did that, that just singlehandedly destroyed the franchises foundation in my eyes.

[Agent Z]

The thing of being lied to is just an unfounded rumor. Snyder just said on Vero that Clark would've become susceptible to the anti-life equation after losing Lois...

Yeah i figured as much.

[Lightning Rider]

Is a brainwashed/manipulated Superman really that much better? It's not even mind controlled -- just manipulated. Crazy. Superman is not dumb and is a reporter, for crying out loud. So for a brand new generation of fans the DCEU was going to showcase the greatest hero ever as a fool who cannot even fact check a lie by obviously bad aliens and proceeds to do their bidding? I mean, come on. It would have done way more harm than good and would have lasted until AT LEAST the midway point of JL part 2 according to reports. That's 4 years of the DCEU Superman being bad in people's minds. Totally unacceptable in my mind and even though Whedon's movie was still bad, it was the lesser of two evils. Not to mention that even if you find Snyder's vision interesting (and I admit that his visions and concepts are usually interesting on paper), his execution was probably going to be okay at best. I think with the DCEU being the current state (Hamada guiding things to a more controlled direction), we're better off with Snyder not having made those movies.

Being lied to by obvious bad aliens is something that would require a convincing deception. Either mind control or a direct vision. I mean Superman's memories being foggy in the cut we got doesn't undermine him, it was temporary and he eventually went back to his old self, so I don't see this being much different. But certainly there was something else planned that might have flowed better. 4 years of the DCEU being bad in people's minds? I can't help what the general public thinks, but Snyder's Superman is certainly not a villain, and anyone that argues that is desperate to see a one-dimensional version of the character on screen.

I'm not arguing Superman doing Darkseid's bidding and killing people for half a movie would be acceptable. I'm saying a newly reborn Superman being misled, brainwashed, and/or angry temporarily wouldn't be that much different than what we got. His return deserved more of an arc and it was chopped up. We can only speculate and cherrypick rumors as to what exactly was planned.

[Jokerz79]

Amen to all of this. And I also agree with your statement on Man of Steel. It was a good movie IMO, but the DCEU killed any good will it had with me when Snyder decided to kill off Superman in BvS. Now doing an adaptation of "Death of Superman" isn't a bad idea, hell it's one of the most defining moments in the characters history. It's just the fact that Supes was killed off in only the second goddamn movie in the franchise is what pissed me off. The minute they did that, that just singlehandedly destroyed the franchises foundation in my eyes.

Snyder isn't fully to blame the is WB to blame too they've wanted to kill Superman for decades thinking his death was this great story and would be a money maker. Truth is the death is generic and was big because it was a spectacle and the shock value. Not WB or Snyder realized the real stories of value are Funeral for a Friend and Reign of Supermen. But for them to have value you have to get the audience to care about the character and that takes time.

[Slowpokeking]

Being lied to by obvious bad aliens is something that would require a convincing deception. Either mind control or a direct vision. I mean Superman's memories being foggy in the cut we got doesn't undermine him, it was temporary and he eventually went back to his old self, so I don't see this being much different. But certainly there was something else planned that might have flowed better. 4 years of the DCEU being bad in people's minds? I can't help what the general public thinks, but Snyder's Superman is certainly not a villain, and anyone that argues that is desperate to see a one-dimensional version of the character on screen.

I'm not arguing Superman doing Darkseid's bidding and killing people for half a movie would be acceptable. I'm saying a newly reborn Superman being misled, brainwashed, and/or angry temporarily wouldn't be that much different than what we got. His return deserved more of an arc and it was chopped up. We can only speculate and cherrypick rumors as to what exactly was planned.

No thanks, DCEU Superman has been suffering for so long and have him do that would be overkill.

[Last Son of Krypton]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjDiorVA22S/

[Johnny]

Love this!

[Robotman]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjDiorVA22S/

nice! definitely a completely different vibe from the other DCEU movies. glad to see they're embracing Cap. Marvel, oh i mean "Shazam's" lighter side.

[Lightning Rider]

Interesting poster. A bit nervous about two things.

1. Is he going to act like a (silly) 10 year old in adult form? Wasn't ever a fan of that characterization, though I'm not well versed enough to distinguish different voices writers have given him over the years. (Would appreciate input here)

2. The lightning bolt on the chest looks a bit cheap to me. Am I the only one?

[Vanguard-01]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjDiorVA22S/

Looks good! But shouldn't that be a chocolate egg cream he's drinking?

[SiegePerilous02]

Which would still mean you have one film out of four in which Superman is brainwashed into being evil. Not the same as Injustice where he becomes a tyrant by his own free will.

It would still be yet another film in which we don't get a fully formed Superman. MoS was different and approached it as Clark finding his way, and that was fine. But we didn't get a follow up to develop that naturally. We got rushed into an EVEN DARKER film in which Batman tries to murder a still unsure of himself Superman, and said Superman gets a large chunk of his scenes cut for the theatrical release, and then dies. And then come back in the next film as a brainwashed minion, before FINALLY (years after we were introduced to him) becoming Superman again, only for no further planned films. His arc would have been considered done.

You can't seriously think any of this was a good idea? Also, I love Lois Lane and I love their relationship, but this trend of her being the only thing tying him to humanity or being the one thing preventing him from going off the deep end needs to fucking die a thousand deaths already.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjDiorVA22S/

I love this. I hope this film is as great as it looks.

[Slowpokeking]

Can't we give Superman a break?

Zack Snyder likes Superman so much but tried SOOO hard to make the hero suffer, which isn't a good approach.

[BlackClaw]

Shazam looks pretty cool. Hope we see a trailer for it soon. And speaking of trailers, I'm still waiting on one for Aquaman.

[Hilden B. Lade]

He needed to be able to bend his body. You find out that a lot of things that look cool are very impractical and it takes a couple of tries making these suits.

https://twitter.com/ponysmasher/stat...31694034239490

Shazam! director David Sandberg on why the lightning bolt looks the way it does.

[Styles]

https://twitter.com/ponysmasher/stat...31694034239490

Shazam! director David Sandberg on why the lightning bolt looks the way it does.

Makes sense and the costume looks good.