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    Sounding like Ray Fisher is pissed at WB and it leaving the role of Cyborg.

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    I actually enjoyed Cavil's Superman in JL, over the previous two films to feature him.

    As I see it, this version of Superman is less reserved in displaying his powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korath View Post
    What is the point of the other heroes if Superman is so powerful that no threat is a danger for him ? He literally toyed with Steppenwolf, an adversary who put the rest of the League at its wits end. He devaluated them all, and destroyed all of Flash's arcs toward heroism just so he could stupidly carry a building. If we get a Superman that powerful in future movies, then he has to be self-contained. No more Superman in the JL. It's basic storytelling that you can't have an all-powerful character in a team like that, it makes the whole thing bad.
    Superman has been that powerful before, if not stronger, that is not the same as no threat being powerful enough to threaten him. A good JL writer can have Superman at that power level and provide a threat that even he still cannot handle alone, and requires other heroes of varying degrees in power to help combat. The problem was that this one was woefully inadequate, it was pitiful compared to the invasion he dealt with in his solo movie when he was a rookie. A JL level threat should be Zod's invasion on steroids, not whatever the hell that was with Steppenwolf.

    Powering down Superman or cutting him off from the JL is pointless and unnecessary. Just get better creators involved that are not Snyder or Whedon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Superman has been that powerful before, if not stronger, that is not the same as no threat being powerful enough to threaten him. A good JL writer can have Superman at that power level and provide a threat that even he still cannot handle alone, and requires other heroes of varying degrees in power to help combat. The problem was that this one was woefully inadequate, it was pitiful compared to the invasion he dealt with in his solo movie when he was a rookie. A JL level threat should be Zod's invasion on steroids, not whatever the hell that was with Steppenwolf.

    Powering down Superman or cutting him off from the JL is pointless and unnecessary. Just get better creators involved that are not Snyder or Whedon.
    It’s absolutely necessary if you’re trying to build a coherent, shared film universe where everyone should get a chance to shine. Hate to be that person, but marvel executes that better in that regard, especially in their most recent film. If you’re going to do a heroic ensemble movie, then the enemie(s) in said film should be able to dish out an amount of butt whoop across the ensemble. That way, when they team up, the tension and conflict resolution will be more believable. If you don’t think Superman was op in JL and are ok with him being that strong, then the rest of the JL was heavily nerfed, as well as Steppenwolf himself. Bring their power levels up, shortening the gap between them and Superman, forcing him to need their help.

    If the other leaguers aren’t effective in helping take down the big bads, then what are they there for? Decoration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon Swordsman View Post
    It’s absolutely necessary if you’re trying to build a coherent, shared film universe where everyone should get a chance to shine. Hate to be that person, but marvel executes that better in that regard, especially in their most recent film. If you’re going to do a heroic ensemble movie, then the enemie(s) in said film should be able to dish out an amount of butt whoop across the ensemble. That way, when they team up, the tension and conflict resolution will be more believable. If you don’t think Superman was op in JL and are ok with him being that strong, then the rest of the JL was heavily nerfed, as well as Steppenwolf himself. Bring their power levels up, shortening the gap between them and Superman, forcing him to need their help.

    If the other leaguers aren’t effective in helping take down the big bads, then what are they there for? Decoration?
    I wouldn't say Marvel is entirely perfect about it.

    Both of the first two Avengers movies ultimately came down to the Hulk being the one to beat the Big Bad fairly easily. We never really saw the entire team have to take on Loki or Ultron at the same time.

    I assume a future Justice League movie, if that ever happens at this rate, that doesn't need to accommodate, focus, or "redeem" Superman as much would be more even-handed in the entire team dynamic.

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    Or they could turn into a fun running gag having Superman popping up at the 11th hour in every DC movies to defeat the bad guy with just one punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon Swordsman View Post
    It’s absolutely necessary if you’re trying to build a coherent, shared film universe where everyone should get a chance to shine. Hate to be that person, but marvel executes that better in that regard, especially in their most recent film. If you’re going to do a heroic ensemble movie, then the enemie(s) in said film should be able to dish out an amount of butt whoop across the ensemble. That way, when they team up, the tension and conflict resolution will be more believable. If you don’t think Superman was op in JL and are ok with him being that strong, then the rest of the JL was heavily nerfed, as well as Steppenwolf himself. Bring their power levels up, shortening the gap between them and Superman, forcing him to need their help.

    If the other leaguers aren’t effective in helping take down the big bads, then what are they there for? Decoration?
    Isn't that pretty much what I said? The threat level wasn't big or impressive enough that it needed Superman and the rest of the team, regardless of whether or not they were nerfed (and honestly, nobody except maybe Diana was considering who was on the team and their relative experience levels). That's why I said get better writing and bigger threats with better choreography in the fights that allow everyone a vital role in bringing down the threat relative to their power level.

    Grant Morrison's JLA this movie was not. He pretty much wrote Superman as that guy, and still had everybody else contribute significantly. Because the threats were large, and when they weren't large they were a little more cerebral and couldn't be solved just with fists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Or they could turn into a fun gag having Superman popping up at the 11th hour in every DC movies to defeat the bad guy with just one punch.
    It honestly seems like this a concern for some, and I don't get why.

    And nobody in the casual audience is going to hold it against Aquaman that he lost against Superman. They don't have any pre-conceived notions that he's a character who can challenge Superman, so they are not disappointed with a poor showing. They will still go see his movie if it gets good buzz. Superman won't be in it. The mere fact that he's out there, existing, is not a deterrent. He's got his own shit to do, Aquaman has to save the day without him as he has done numerous times.

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    *Double post

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    And in other news, it’s being reported that New Gods will not take place in the DCEU. Smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    And nobody in the casual audience is going to hold it against Aquaman that he lost against Superman. They don't have any pre-conceived notions that he's a character who can challenge Superman, so they are not disappointed with a poor showing. They will still go see his movie if it gets good buzz. Superman won't be in it. The mere fact that he's out there, existing, is not a deterrent. He's got his own shit to do, Aquaman has to save the day without him as he has done numerous times.
    JL is Campbell's GL level of forgettable, the casual audience has already left behind what Aquaman and Superman have done in this movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    JL is Campbell's GL level of forgettable, the casual audience has already left behind what Aquaman and Superman have done in this movie.
    Exactly. People will turn up for Aquaman and Wonder Woman 2 if they look good (especially the latter), because more people saw WW than JL. One scene will not kill this universe, especially as that movie was a shitshow before Superman even showed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypto's Fleas View Post
    Sounding like Ray Fisher is pissed at WB and it leaving the role of Cyborg.

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    Know they’re just rumors but I can imagine it is how he feels. You sign in and are told oh yea we’ll make a solo and you’ll pop up in flash after JL it’ll be great. Then you kind of have the rug ripped out from under you. Though I would prefer Flash’s first movie focusing more on flash before we dive into the more spread out universe for sequels with other character interactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypto's Fleas View Post
    And in other news, it’s being reported that New Gods will not take place in the DCEU. Smh.
    Source? The news I'm hearing is that it's in early development, and Variety is saying it is part of the DCEU.

    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/a...dc-1202725043/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypto's Fleas View Post
    Sounding like Ray Fisher is pissed at WB and it leaving the role of Cyborg.

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    If it’s true then I don’t blame him. Just another casualty of WB’s poor decision making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypto's Fleas View Post
    Sounding like Ray Fisher is pissed at WB and it leaving the role of Cyborg.

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    Oh well......

    I guess a billion dollar Panther movie will make you rethink things.

    Sooner or later they will learn that half you know of doing things is not the way to go.

    Oh well Marvel can hire him. Someone has to play a young Blue Marvel.

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