Wolverine Broke Time

[vitruvian]

This is what I got out of GOTG (BMB First Arc) he give's a splash page during the galactic counsels meeting and you see , Reed, Beast, Dr. DOom, etc... all those who abused the use of time travel.

Except this was about the first time their use of the technology had actually been presented as abuse, absent a few stories with the Time Variance Authority attempting to enforce some rather arcane rules.

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It's funny, though, because Doom's original time machine seemed to work to change history, or at least maintain a closed time loop rather than branch off alternate timelines. After all, Ben Grimm always was the one true Blackbeard, right?

Sure. It's Doom's time platform that causes so much trouble.

And even Kang went by that principle at first... his reign as Rama-Tut in ancient Egypt became part of the archaeological record, although I suppose you could dodge that one by saying that the Earth-616 timeline inhabited by the Fantastic Four was always an alternate timeline generated by his meddling with his original timeline.

Wasn't that explicitly stated, at one point?

Then later on when Kang started eliminating his alternate selves, didn't he implicitly stop doing the branching timeline thing?

It's unclear. He wasn't preventing them from existing, he was just killing them and absorbing their memories. That's dickish, but shouldn't mess with the time stream.

Also, for whatever it's worth, the Council of Cross-Time Kangs showed up after his Kang-killing spree.

[Hariel0079]

Except this was about the first time their use of the technology had actually been presented as abuse, absent a few stories with the Time Variance Authority attempting to enforce some rather arcane rules.

No, you misunderstood, It's not a one time use, it's the multiple uses in general from marvel's history. (the thought process behind AoU) BMB stated this on a podcast.

[vitruvian]

No, you misunderstood, It's not a one time use, it's the multiple uses in general from marvel's history. (the thought process behind AoU) BMB stated this on a podcast.

I didn't misunderstand anything, the vast majority of those multiple uses have been by time traveling villains from the future, not by the heroes, and the Time Variance Authority never had a rule against time travel in general or about the overall frequency, but only concerning what you specifically did while in the past. If simple frequency and multiple uses were the issue, and more than a few time hops in and of themselves constituted abuse of the time stream, then that would not have been the case.

[popestu]

You are, because if you read the book that explained how he actually does it...well the explanation was boring (he basically doesn't rest or something), so yeah, stepping over different periods in the timeline and "appearing" to be all over the place from a linear perspective is pretty creative.

The silly thing is how Tony knew Wolverine did this. The Age Of Ultron was itself two distinct alternate timelines with two Wolverines, neither of whom were the 616 version. The first Wolverine (B), the one who traveled back and killed Pym, and the second Wolverine (C) who traveled back to stop Wolverine (B) from killing Hank Pym. Both of these Wolverines were erased when Pym enacted the plan to stop Ultron at the point he rose to power and the 616 timeline was preserved. Neither resulted in the 616 timeline as it was not an alternate timeline. So why Tony is knew this is silly since neither Wolverine exists that was involved and likewise the incidents were erased from ever happening. It is explained in the wording though...sigh, Tony and hank guessed all of this could only be the logical conclusion as to what happened (looking at AoU#10 right now, yup, afraid so, lol). *Note while I'm using the word timeline it's only to make things a little clearer as WOG insists we would be referring to " events ".

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[Kurolegacy]

Think that's bad, Eva from Uncanny's already destroyed 1 2099 timeline and erased someone from existence. And on top of what she's already done, she continues to keep going through time. Even Professor X has called her a danger.