Originally Posted by
borntohula
I'm not sure which women where replaced by some males or such. You're thinking of pre-52? Most male characters in the n52 book either died (since they wouldn't/couldn't reform.) or went elsewhere.
Either way.If you're interested, here's some of it. I won't go into the duality stuff (I'm saving that for a thread.). And first off, feminism can be all over the place, with different meanings, intentions and/or purpose.
WW#30. Besides Zola and Diana being on point why women can like some time off from men, there's Hera's words. "It's about barriers. We need to remove them, so Diana can move forward.". And then there's Dessa's "You speak as if we hae one mind in this matter, but rarely it is, if ever.". First Born is voicing that he hungers (classic man thing. More on that.) and then calls out the Minotaur as less than a man.
WW#31. Diana starts off by saying gender equality is more than necessary, it being morally necessary. She then asks her people -women of male privilege. Egalia's Daughters territory- to reform. And then -Once again- a man who can't feel full. The titan Cronus is fed over and over, with Hades. One who also couldn't be contempt with what he (like, what seems like most men in the run.) had. Diana talks with Dessa, that their male like superiority has more to do with traditions than anything else, a weakness they use like strength.
WW#33. Time after time, Diana calls First born out on classic male tropes. She denies a marriage for the second time (which seems like feminism to some haha.). Diana tells First born about the titles, that nothing of them MAKES her. First Born empales Diana with a phallic thorn out of his body. Minotaur empales Orion with his phallic horns. (putting some symbolism into this.)
WW#34. First born says he'll let the amazons die with the same mark he left Diana with. Hyph throws a sphere between his legs (lot of phallic stuff). Ares shows up with Diana, talks about nature being the truth. But perhaps not for the best. Men giving seed, fems giving birth. Illusion, identity and stuff is better.
WW#35. Another whining male with ambition biting the dust with Sea. And then there's the Last born's turn. The guy is the worst of men, all macho. But all alone in the end. Strife even calls him out on this. That he's just bullsh!%. Minotaur is then seen not being a man, but a shaved bull. The macho get up is just a ruse, to make him look man. First Born calls him cow. First born kills him with his phallic horns. Diana once again goes on about identity stuff, that she's called this and that --but she's herself. Then there's more on identity between Diana and Zola, that even if Zola's little and stuff. She's special to Diana thanks to her person. Essentially making sense out of the men as sperm vessels. Zola being a baby vessel. But Zola's more. Zola also mentions Zeus giving birth to her, which could call it into question if he's a 100% "man". They then get a matriarchy with Zeke/Zeus on the throne, under the nurture of women (I asked a couple of schooled feminists, they all said: "Yep. That's some matriarchy right there. Thanks to the influence.".
As of now. I'm quite tired and about to fall asleep. Bottom line, you can feel any way you want about the Azz/Chiang run. I think it has some serious merits on several levels. The vessel (a word quite common in feminism.) stuff has helped me getting a couple of friends into feeling better about themselves as man as well as women.
While I'm writing some serious hyperballo, the stuffs is in the run. Questioning why Zeus can lay all he wants, but those he lays gets the blame. Hera saying it's because of her "role" as a queen... It's all over the run. Showing gender as a construction, and then dismantling it.
You're free to interpret the stuff above, and more, any way you want. It'd be cool if you like the run. If not, perhaps there's an interesting thing or two in there?