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    Asura from Asura's Wrath is a better written version of the Hulk.

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    Carol's current costume is the best she's ever had.

    That said, the black costume could work just as well if it were given pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Asura from Asura's Wrath is a better written version of the Hulk.
    What is he like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    What is he like?
    Angry. Very very angry.
    (And killed gods..but he is not kratos...kratos got the happy ending)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    What is he like?
    He's much more aware that his anger is a problem than the Hulk and much better at aiming it at those who deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    He's much more aware that his anger is a problem than the Hulk and much better at aiming it at those who deserve it.
    That doesn't sound anything like the Hulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Carol's current costume is the best she's ever had.

    That said, the black costume could work just as well if it were given pants.
    My hot take is that the black costume in itself is great, and wasn't even so sexualized when it was created, but:

    - Frank Cho and a bunch of other artists ruined it by making it so it was like a thong and showing her whole ass and even like... sides of the front.
    - It doesn't really fit Carol's character that much. It's kinda just a random superhero costume, her Captain Marvel ones reflect her personality and history a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    That doesn't sound anything like the Hulk.
    My point exactly.

    Also, the narrative is much more aware of Asura's flaws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    My hot take is that the black costume in itself is great, and wasn't even so sexualized when it was created, but:

    - Frank Cho and a bunch of other artists ruined it by making it so it was like a thong and showing her whole ass and even like... sides of the front.
    - It doesn't really fit Carol's character that much. It's kinda just a random superhero costume, her Captain Marvel ones reflect her personality and history a lot more.
    If anything, the costume seems more fitting for Moonstone or someone who's a dark reflection of Carol now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron of Faltine View Post
    Angry. Very very angry.
    (And killed gods..but he is not kratos...kratos got the happy ending)
    Well he did get a happy ending when he saved his daughter imo, maybe bittersweet ending.

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    Issues with execution aside, Jason Aaron's take on She-Hulk and how she views herself is not without basis. Jen has been harassed, she has been objectified in-universe as well as out; the Sensational She-Hulk series has numerous instances of her clothes being ripped in battle, to say nothing of how three different villains tried to force her into a relationship. There's a even a scene in Sensational She-Hulk where a villain hurls misogynistic insults when her clothes are destroyed by his henchman.

    With all that in mind, is it any wonder Jen might come to see he feminine looks as more of a curse than a gift? Was there another, better way it could have been done? Maybe, but the idea does have a pretty strong foundation.
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    When written well Reed is, dare I say, the most relatable member of the F4 for how deeply flawed he is. For all the problems I have with Waid's run because of his handling of Doom, there is a moment at the beginning between Reed and baby Val which shows that despite his at times cold and distant demeanor, Reed is not oblivious to his own shortcomings and he cares a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom'nGloom View Post
    When written well Reed is, dare I say, the most relatable member of the F4 for how deeply flawed he is. For all the problems I have with Waid's run because of his handling of Doom, there is a moment at the beginning between Reed and baby Val which shows that despite his at times cold and distant demeanor, Reed is not oblivious to his own shortcomings and he cares a lot.

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    Great post. People always knock Reed when he does wrong, but he’s a good man.
    "We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    Great post. People always knock Reed when he does wrong, but he’s a good man.
    Reed and Tony are quite similar for the fact that when they make a mistake some comic fans tend to judge them too harshly without realizing that most of their actions, good or bad, are either born from a desire to atone for past mistakes or make the world a better place for their loved ones and humanity in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom'nGloom View Post
    When written well Reed is, dare I say, the most relatable member of the F4 for how deeply flawed he is. For all the problems I have with Waid's run because of his handling of Doom, there is a moment at the beginning between Reed and baby Val which shows that despite his at times cold and distant demeanor, Reed is not oblivious to his own shortcomings and he cares a lot.

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    I find Waid good with these small character moments. Brief scenes that give us a lot of insight on the characters. Not many seem capable of this nowadays.

    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom'nGloom View Post
    Reed and Tony are quite similar for the fact that when they make a mistake some comic fans tend to judge them too harshly without realizing that most of their actions, good or bad, are either born from a desire to atone for past mistakes or make the world a better place for their loved ones and humanity in general.
    Quoted for truth! Well said.
    "We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark

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