Which Batman villains deserve to get a push or a chance as the Big Bad?

[GrandKaiser]

Wasn't he in Talon just before that book ended?

I didn't know anyone read Talon.

[The Overlord]

Sorry folks, but how many times - throughout the Bat-Family of titles - Batman, Detective, & Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman, Eternal, Dark Knight, Nightwing, ect - was Penguin, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Mad Hatter, and Mister Freeze used this year, last year, and the year before?

Batman's "small circle" of same old, same old, recycled over and over, overused "rogues gallery" regulars is Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, Mister Freeze, Mad Hatter I, Man-Bat, Ra's Al Ghul, Killer Croc, Clayface I, Harley Quinn, Bane, Talia, Black Mask, and Hush.

How many times does Killer Croc or Mad Hatter get to the Big Bad of a story arc? A lot of villains in that circle only get rare occasions to shine and how many villains outside of that circle are compelling enough to be the big bad of a story arc?

[ngroove]

How many times does Killer Croc or Mad Hatter get to the Big Bad of a story arc? A lot of villains in that circle only get rare occasions to shine and how many villains outside of that circle are compelling enough to be the big bad of a story arc?

Mad Hatter - main "Big Bad" of Batman: the Dark Knight #15-21, Nightwing #26-27, and Batman Eternal #41-42, co-Big Bad of Detective Comics Annual #1, and Dark Knight Annual #1, as well as done his part in Batman: the Dark Knight #8, and Detective Comics #37-40.

Killer Croc - While has not been "Big Bad" material, since perhaps No Man's Land, only his initial arc in Batman / Detective Comics in 1983 before then, he was prominent of various issues of Batwoman, Batman Eternal, Batman: the Dark Knight #23.4, and Forever Evil: Arkham War #3.

I nominate the Spook to come back. Yes, he was decapitated by Damian, still made cannon when mentioned in Batman Incorporated (Vol.2) #1, but anyone who has done the homework knows his history of "smokes and mirrors", of faking his death, and using dupes in his place (hint, hint).

[TheDarkKnightReturns]

Hugo Strange is hugely underused. A total lack of respect for the character coming from DC. I hope DC make him the main Batman villain for a couple of years on of these days.

[EdwardNigma]

Definitely Mad Hatter or Mr Freeze. Two Face needs some more focus after that terrible retelling of his origin.

[JBatmanFan05]

Two Face needs some more focus after that terrible retelling of his origin.

I just looked this up...and wow, so horrible. Yes, Harvey is owed quite a bit after that disaster. That origin should be retconned out immediately.

[TheNewFiftyForum]

Definitely Mad Hatter or Mr Freeze. Two Face needs some more focus after that terrible retelling of his origin.

I just looked this up...and wow, so horrible. Yes, Harvey is owed quite a bit after that disaster. That origin should be retconned out immediately.

What don't you like about it? The only two controversial points that I can see to it are Harvey being a bit more unsympathetic before becoming D.A and the killing of a fairly obscure supporting character. Hardly material for "terrible", "horrible", or "disaster", right?

[LifeIsILL]

Clock King
Film Freak

[mr_crisp]

The Mad Hatter

[JBatmanFan05]

What don't you like about it? The only two controversial points that I can see to it are Harvey being a bit more unsympathetic before becoming D.A and the killing of a fairly obscure supporting character. Hardly material for "terrible", "horrible", or "disaster", right?

DC vaguely mentioned in 2011 in talking about the changes to Batman's world how if it ain't broke, don't fix it (an idea they have obviously gotten away from some). There was nothing broke about Harvey's post-COIE origin in various issues and most prominently retold in the very classic Long Halloween, a Killing Joke-level respected story. I do think the new changes (McKillen, unsympathetic, dead Gilda, etc, etc) render it all a disaster and horrible and terrible, and it should be ignored/retconned. I have similar feelings on other Batrogues New 52 origins (Freeze, Ivy, etc, etc). A lot of non-broken origins ruined because hey, it's the New 52 and, apparently, that's just reason enough....now we can connect every little origin to Wayne Ent, look at us, and everyone is abused and everyone was is cool edgy unsympathetic lifelong psychos.

[ispacehead]

I just looked this up...and wow, so horrible. Yes, Harvey is owed quite a bit after that disaster. That origin should be retconned out immediately.

You didn't read that, huh?

Yup. Train wreck city.

I have to wonder if that, like some of the other elements of Tomasi's run that got siderailed by Damian's resurrection will ever be addressed again.

Hardly material for "terrible", "horrible", or "disaster", right?

It's all a matter of opinion of course, but using the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" motif, it just didn't need to be done.

Harvey has been a strong character and a huge fan favorite for decades.

The new 52 has just made a mess of him.

Those back ups in Tec were just out of this world baaaaad.

Tomasi's new origin had some good characterization but was just a mess compared to what we had prior.

Interesting ending anyway. I'll be curious to see what somebody does with him next.

Hopefully fix him.

[MajorHoy]

The Mad Hatter

Why, he hasn't been used in a while?

Read Detective Comics much lately?

[Exciter]

Man-Bat seems to have been devalued as of late. Would like to see him get a push.

[BeastieRunner]

Clock King or Scarecrow.

[SpiderWing20]

I would love a scarecrow story, Bane is long over due for the big bad role, and I wanna say professor pyg