The dialogue suggests that nothing was Reed's idea in this situation. T'Challa said, "I simply solved the problem you put in front of me, Reed. I figured out how not to lose." To which Reed explains that this query was from Val, not Reed himself. So I think it's clear that Reed simply served as messenger between Val and T'Challa and that T'Challa came up with both the idea for and design of the Ark.
The Ark looks just like the one used in the original Secret Wars, that's how they'll get to battle world
I love Cyclops as this enigmatic wild card. It's awesome.
I liked the issue (plus Avengers World) but both are full of set up and nothing that moves the plot forward.
So when BP and Reed are talking about who makes it, are we to assume that they mean of the remaining population or remaining avengers?
My take on the Phoenix egg is, once everything dies, the Phoenix force will bring the mutuants back to life. It's how they survive the end of everything. The Phoenix is connected to mutuants.
And yea, wheare are Doom and Stark and what is going on with Thorr, Hyperion and gang? Let's get to the point already! On a side note, I feel like all of these covers have been misleading. The issues are removely connected to the cover art, but it's not really the diving force of the issue.
Mark Allen Chi
The Earth's population as a whole, however many they can fit (and support) in the ark once built. And how do you mean 'remaining'? It's not like there's been a lot of attrition of Earth-616's population up to this point, it's all been whole worlds in other realities.
Not just to mutants... it's had hosts without the X-gene before, as shown both in Excalibur and in the AvX event.
And it would make more sense if the Phoenix, as a force of creation, could create a whole universe... it doesn't do the mutants or anybody else much good to be resurrected if there's no world or universe in which to live.
Of course Hank is going to try to save his friends, but that probably doesn't include Scott at this point.
All of this new information does make one wonder how we get Battleworld. The Phoenix? The Beyonders? Especially since it appears that Battleworld may have been established at a earlier point than when the Ultimate Universe and 616 Universe land there.
We don't know who yet, although based on the parallel with the original Secret Wars, I'm still guessing it's the Beyonders, but we do know that for a while now, it's been looking to the Illuminati's sensors through the Bridge like the Incursion zones continue to exist, to persist, for just a fraction of a second longer than the remainder of the universes being destroyed in completed Incursions. Then, more recently, all the previous Incursion zones on Earth-616, from all the Incursions that were interrupted, started to have transparent domes over them. So, the supposition is that the 'delay' in the destruction of the Incursion zones was actually someone or something collecting them to make Battleworld with, and that all the Incursion zones on a given version of Earth might get saved from the general destruction. At least, that seems to be the default fanon interpretation of the phrase 'Incursion incoming' on the interactive Battleworld map.
What we used to call life has very little worth these days. Welcome to the very edge.
--Prince Namor (Earth-616)
Yep, but then that's always been implicit in the idea that Battleworld is all that's left... only the areas from a reality that go into making up Battleworld get saved, everything else, every region (and planet, and solar system, and galaxy) that doesn't make it to Battleworld is destroyed.
What else did you expect Everything Dies to mean? Even the survival of whoever gets to go to Battleworld (we're all guessing that it's at least the Manhattan of 616 and 1610 in the final incursion) is already kind of a big exception to that, having the remainder of the universes not actually getting destroyed would kind of make the whole exercise pointless, wouldn't it?
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