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THE CBR COMMUNITY STANDARDS & RULES ~ So... what's your excuse now?
A bat! That's it! It's an omen.. I'll shall become a bat!
Pre-CBR Reboot Join Date: 10-17-2010
Pre-CBR Reboot Posts: 4,362
THE CBR COMMUNITY STANDARDS & RULES ~ So... what's your excuse now?
Scott Snyder was on Swamp Thing, Jeff Lemire took up Green Arrow, Jimmy Palmiotti of Harley Quinn fame was on All-Star Western, the new "golden child" Charles Soule was on Red Lanterns (lol) and Swamp Thing - none of them sold. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Look, all I'm saying is: They have the ability to make happy the people wanting characters like Wally West in stories AND the people craving new concepts, new characters and new ideas. Just because some want iconic characters in stories, doesn't mean there cannot be new concepts/new stories.
I want new things, too, AND I want old characters. I want new characters, but I also, sometimes, want that old feeling back in some books. This can be accomplished if they're willing to do it.
"All it takes for sexism to prosper is for good men to see nothing."
And if DC does that..will you buy those books?
Some of us might..but most people won't, no matter what good the books are. That's the simple fact.
It's easy for people like us to tell folks at DC how they should run their company (but, taking action - implementing and making profit out of a business is a lot harder than it looks).
Like FishboneX mentioned, DC gave a lot of cancelled titles stellar teams, resulting in absolutely awesome books that were cancelled too early because of low sales.
Perhaps what they need to do is spread out the talent a bit more - take the top talent from lower titles and put them in the 'middle ground' (books with average sales).
DC Extended Universe Thread (DCEU)
That's how it starts. The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness. That turns good men....Cruel - Alfred.
This may be the only thing that I do that matters - Bruce.
Stay down, if I wanted it, you would be dead already - Clark.
I know what you mean but I think it is too simplistic of a setup you have here. The difficult part is figuring out what everyone's tastes are. Why are the core 25 titles not appealing to old time readers, or new readers? Why are the new 24 experimental titles not appealing to old readers, or new readers? What exactly is it that old readers want or new readers want?
The problem is you are basing this on these so-called long time and new customers being something that can be defined, or that they all want the same things. The reality is that, no, it is not in DCs power to give everyone what they want. DC could put out 200 comics of every thing you can think of to make everyone happy and, never mind the fact that most people will not be happy because their character got stuck with a crappy creative team, never mind that most of them would be canceled within a few months because there will not be enough people to support them each, but, there would still be someone out there who is still not happy because nothing in the lineup is exactly what they want. They would still have some complaint. There would still be something they would want to see done differently and some feeling DC was not addressing their wants.
Anyone find it funny that the company that has spent the last two decades and more( Ever since Kingdom Come) using nostalgia as its major selling point, is now complaining about the fans living in the past to much? All-star Superman John's run on JSA (Heck Johns run on anything), anything with Crisis in the name, all of them are pretty much selling on nostalgia. Then their is new Frontier which is essentially Nostalgia in comicbook form. You have a lot of fans that like nostalgia, and you only have yourself to blame, because that's essentially what you've been selling for the last 25 years.
Last edited by mathew101281; 03-11-2015 at 01:16 PM.
You're missing the point.
My point is the same as it is on another current thread: Be Careful What You Say. They're not really interested in "fresh characters" and "new concepts" at all, because if they were, we'd be seeing completely new characters and ideas. So, instead of claiming that they are, they should be saying that they're sprucing up their pre-established characters.
But, of course, that doesn't garner the same sort of misbegotten buzz that you can get out of misleading buzzwords like "fresh characters" and "new concepts". And we can't have that, can we??
"Who's this 'we', Kemosabe??"Why are you spewing negativity on this thread? They are doing exactly what you wish - instead of 52 old school superhero books they are trimming that to 25 and trying out new concepts with the rest of the line. Everyone that's been crying for diversity, creator freedom, and new concepts just got exactly what they wanted. So why are the same old folks back complaining about this as well?
This isn't what I wish. What I wish is to get back to the DCU, the one that existed before Dan and the Gang came in and ruined everything, culminating in this ridiculous reboot.
Last edited by True Herald; 03-11-2015 at 01:19 PM.
"Meh" to all. (Even Palmiotti helped Dan DiDio write Superboy into cancellation.)
Where's Peter David?? Oh, wait, Dan pissed him off by badmouthing his Young Justice run while cancelling and replacing it. Good ol' Dan, we can always count on him to ruin a good thing!
Last edited by True Herald; 03-11-2015 at 01:24 PM.
But again, you are ignoring all of the titles and runs that WERE fresh ideas, characters and concepts to try to push your point. You don't have to ditch the highest selling character and book in the world to also experiment with new ideas, they can and have done both. Fact is, fans haven't supported the fresh and new stuff at all.
What was the last completely new, original character that sold enough books to last as a solo series at either DC or Marvel? I'm sure there is someone, but honestly can't think of one off the top of my head in the last 10-20 years. Harley Quinn is probably the best example, but that was taken from animation. What you ask for is the destruction of the company. When they say "new characters" or "fresh characters" that doesn't have to be the main character of the book. But these titles are by and large completely forgotten or new characters (I assume you'll be checking all of these out):
Bat-Mite
Bizarro
Gotham Academy
Midnighter
Mystic U
Omega Men
Prez
Section 8
See the response to AlexanderLuthor concerning missing the point.
I'm not actually advocating that they stop publishing Superman, Batman, etc. I'm advocating that they watch what they say and don't be misleading in order to generate cheap buzz. Comics featuring pre-established characters are not "fresh concepts".