Gotham TV Show

[tabo61]

I liked Barbara's nightmare at the start of the episode

[Triple J]

I was wondering how they were going to prolong Galavan's scheme for another 14 episodes. So, they have taken care of that.

I am assuming the rest of episodes are going to deal with Galavan family (well, the Dumas) and the Wayne Enterprises Indian creek facility (most likely for the 2nd half of S2?).

Riddler and Penguin - an odd team. But, I like it

[90'sCartoonMan]

I keep looking for ways this is all playing into Galavan's hands... did he tell Barbara to spill the location of Mayor James? Why was there no one there guarding him? And why would Barbara bother giving Gordon any real information if she fully intended to kill him? But it's hard to see how any of this could serve his cause

I think in her own twisted mind, Barbara believed she had the moral high road over Jim in that she could be honest while he couldn't. So she simply told the truth about the mayor, figuring it wouldn't do any harm since she was going to kill Jim anyway.

Maybe it was all the time The Light on "Young Justice" was like "yeah that failure is totally part of the plan" but I did wonder about that. I feel like they have enough on Galavan but maybe he was a sacrifice from the Dumas people he was working for? Or he really did expect Bruce to sign and will have to regroup. Either way, his knowing who killed the Waynes had me thinking his group is involved.

It looked like Galavan was really counting on controlling Wayne Enterprises, and he got super close to it, too. Even if he did underestimate Bruce. He should've had Silver talk to him while he was making his decision rather than let him go home to talk to Alfred. That was interesting about what Galavan knows, since he did have information Bruce never told anyone.

[PretenderNX01]

The best moment from last night for me was a moment that no one but me experienced. I was watching the show with my wife, who has been iffy about the show but has watched it with me anyway. As Bruce was about to sign the contract selling the company to Galavan, I hear my wife shout "Don't Sign it Bruce!".

And I thought... Hot damn, she's enjoying it right now.

That's cool. I was actually wondering how that would go down as I was watching it. I wondered if maybe that would be how they get out of a kid controlling Wayne Ent. but I guess the board still does anyway.

As a minor, Bruce is too young to sign a binding contract anyway.

It might have been why Alfred was there as his Guardian, mind you that would hardly be the first law the authorities in Gotham have ignored

I think in her own twisted mind, Barbara believed she had the moral high road over Jim in that she could be honest while he couldn't.

That was my interpretation, she was proving herself in her opinion. He was either gonna run away with her as she wanted or she'd kill him. That and she doesn't have any loyalty to Galavan more than he's useful to her so I doubt she'd care if she ruined anything for him.

[Immortal Weapon]

Jim wasn't the only one holding the idiot ball. How the hell did Bruce think Galavan is still a good guy when he's extorting him?

[hulahulk]

Jim wasn't the only one holding the idiot ball. How the hell did Bruce think Galavan is still a good guy when he's extorting him?

His raging hormones were blinding him

[Sandy Hausler]

It looked like Galavan was really counting on controlling Wayne Enterprises, and he got super close to it, too. Even if he did underestimate Bruce. He should've had Silver talk to him while he was making his decision rather than let him go home to talk to Alfred. That was interesting about what Galavan knows, since he did have information Bruce never told anyone.

As mentioned by others, a contract with Bruce wouldn't be worth the paper its written on. He's a minor.

Sandy Hausler

[MykeHavoc]

I also complained about the same thing, until I realized Alfred was in the room. As his legal Guardian, he can also likely sign the document to make it sound. Didn't make this or last week any less silly. Getting to that point where I wonder why I'm still watching....

[Kirby101]

I said the same thing. If Galavan was a good guy, wouldn't he want to bring the Wayne killer to justice? Not hold it over Bruce's head.
It reminds me of a candidate, when he says "If elected I have the perfect plan to defeat ISIS." So if you are not elected you will just let America lose? Why would i vote for someone like that

[AndrewCrossett]

I think there would have been issues with the Wayne family butler being left with executive control over billions of dollars in stock. Also, I think if the decision was Alfred's, he would have had more input than "whatever you think is best, master Bruce." Then again, he might have leapt at the chance to free Bruce from the Wayne Enterprises minefield while still leaving him wealthy for life.

Not sure what Alfred's status is, anyway. Bruce fired him and sent him away earlier this season, and he went. If Alfred is his legal guardian, you'd think Bruce would realize that he can't just do that. He can fire Alfred as his butler, but not as his legal guardian.

I think the law on this show is whatever the writers want it to be, and Gotham seems to exist in its own universe. A couple of weeks ago Galavan was going to unilaterally declare martial law and suspend the 4th amendment. I don't believe any actual American mayor has the authority to do that under any circumstances.

[Frontier]

I guess we'll never know now, but something tells me that the file with the Wayne's killer was all a ruse to keep Bruce occupied or content while Galavan took over and messed with his company. If only so Galavan could also take pleasure in pulling one over on Bruce by using his greatest weakness, his parents death, to make Bruce give up his own company over a fake killer.

[Kensei]

I'm posting my comments on the latest episode a few days late as some of the usual problems with the FOX player delayed me in being able to see the ending.

I thought the bit with Gordon and Bullock escorting Barbara in the car was so transparently taken from the movie "Seven" that it felt like that's what I was watching. The giant truck broadsiding the car should have killed everyone in it, yet we had Bullock just momentarily knocked out, Gordon (who was on the impact side) just slightly stunned, and Barbara apparently not affected at all. Then I thought Barbara's whole mock wedding performance in the church was just very, very silly.

But then- what a surprise, it all led to an actual resolution! Barbara is taken down but survives to be used for more mayhem at some later time, Richard Kind's mayor is back (he's crooked but not exactly pure eeeeevil like Galavan), and Galavan is taken down! Or so it seems, anyway. If it takes, I'm pleased to see him go. I hope Bruce realizes that everything about him including his niece Silver was phony. The only thing about this whole part that makes me just shake my head is Gordon's approach to the takedown. "You're under arrest." BAM! Right cross to the face. In real life that kind of police brutality would be enough to throw out the whole case.

On the Riddler/Penguin sequence: So Nygma finds his sandwhich missing. He was in the woods. Not even a moment's speculation that an animal might have taken it? As for Oswald it reminded me a lot of the first time he was wounded and on the run in Season 1 and knifed a man to death for a sandwhich without even asking for it first. I'm sure Oswald will care little if at all about who Nygma's burying or why as long as Nygma can help him. Nygma might become Oswald's willing student now in the ways of criminality. I can easily imagine him getting on Oswald's nerves constantly asking him riddles, but Oswald will tolerate it because in helping him Nygma is the first person showing him compassion after the death of his mother.

[kalorama]

Question on Nygma- In the comics the Riddler never was much of a brutal killer, was he? I remember him as a thief who loved the game of sending clues risking getting caught and taking care of business if anyone crossed him but preferring to avoid killing if he could. Am I wrong?

Originally both Riddler and Penguin were just gimmicky thieves who didn't go in for violence unless they had to (or unless it was directed at Batman). But post Year One and Dark Knight, the Batverse took on a darker tone and it was decided that pretty much all of Batman's enemies had to be kill crazy loons, so they both got rebooted origins/backstories/and personalities that shaded them more towards willing mayhem. At the time it really annoyed me, because it took away a lot of what made them interesting in the comics, but it works for the show. Up to now I've found Nygma more often grating or, at best, tolerable, but his shift this season has actually caught my interest. Some nice work by the actor as well.

I can understand Selina not wanting to open up to people due to trust issues but it would be nice if burning bridges wasn't her first response when relationship problems arise.

That's a fairly common response by people with abuse and abandonment in their backgrounds, particularly kids, to perceived rejection/betrayal. They go into any potential relationship expecting it to fail and when they see what they think are signs of it coming, they decide to blow it up themselves before the other person can. It's their way of exercising control and shielding themselves from the pain of being dumped again.

[AJBopp]

At least Gordon acted a little more intelligently for much of this episode than he did last week. Enjoying Ed and Penguin dynamic. And very glad too see Barbara out of the picture for at least several episodes. I could wish forever but whatever. Just tired of the almost-villains, I guess. Almost Joker, almost Harley. Cheap versions of the real thing don't make the copies look better. This show is starting to lose me, but losing Barbara is a step in the right direction back.

[PretenderNX01]

Almost Joker, almost Harley. Cheap versions of the real thing don't make the copies look better.

Eh, Babs is as much Marsha Queen of Diamonds as she is Harley

I don't remember Harley desperate to marry any heroes.

This ep was mostly set up for the next arc but I liked it. I thought maybe they'd let New Officer live after all but when they had her be the one walking the guy in I knew she was a goner. The assassins private club was a fun touch, very oldschool Bats so it fit right into Gotham.

Bruce is starting to try to play detective now, still can't beat Alfred though Both Gordon and Bruce are dealing with all consuming quests, and they both need to learn how to control themselves if they're going to get anything done.