Gotham TV Show

[Osiris-Rex]

Not a fan of what they're doing with Selina. Getting cat powers is bad enough, but how many times are people on this show going to fall or get shot or something and not die? I do want Selina and Ivy to hang out more. Ivy seems to want friends badly, hence her eagerness to join Penguin, but she and Selina aren't all that close any more.

Well you know Oswald and Selina aren't going to die. And I guess they weren't done with Barbara or Fish. But most of the throwaway characters stay dead. They probably aren't bringing Reggie or Gabe back.

Agreed, as long as the series ends with this escalation of villains being too much for Gordon and the GCPD to handle. That'll lead to Batman stepping in.

Isn't that sort of the whole point of the show? To show why Gotham needs a Batman.

[AndrewCrossett]

Not a fan of what they're doing with Selina. Getting cat powers is bad enough, but how many times are people on this show going to fall or get shot or something and not die? I do want Selina and Ivy to hang out more. Ivy seems to want friends badly, hence her eagerness to join Penguin, but she and Selina aren't all that close any more.

The problem there is that Ivy is a psychopath and Selina isn't. At least, not yet... and I hope they don't make her one.

On the one hand, they need to create a reason why Catwoman becomes Batman's enemy and not his ally. But they need to avoid making her just another killer with a themed wardrobe... preferably not a killer at all, although I guess that ship already sailed away with Reggie's corpse.

It still would have worked better if Selina thought it was the real Bruce who pushed her out that window.

[GrifterWC]

It still would have worked better if Selina thought it was the real Bruce who pushed her out that window.

They can try to explain that when she re-awakens that her last memory was Bruce but doesn't remember it was the clone.

[AdamFTF]

Those cats are actually being affected by meteor rocks.

You know, we don't know if Selina gained any kind of powers from that scene with the cats. Maybe the cats all crowded around her after she fell because she had kitty treats in her pockets.

[Cap808]

Don't forget that we've already been introduced to Harvey Dent....

[AndrewCrossett]

I guess Ivy brought in a cocktail of plants that... reversed Selina's brain trauma somehow? By smell, I guess?

OK, so it's a comic book show. But how did Ivy find out that these plants can have these effects? She's not Pamela Isley, with years of intense botanical research. She was a kid running the streets a few weeks ago. I know she's always had an interest in plants, but lots of people have an interest in plants and apparently none of them know about this compound that can turn people into truth-telling slaves with one whiff. If they did, every criminal, terrorist, law enforcement, military and intelligence group in the world would be using it. In order to turn Selina's room into a conservatory like that, she must have just about everyone on the hospital staff under her control.

This show would be terrible if not for the great cast. I find that I enjoy all the storylines that don't revolve around Jim Gordon... and even those can be fun if Harvey Bullock or even Lucius Fox are on the scene too. But the whole thing with Jim and the Court was just unbelievably dumb. The Court are the lamest Illuminati ever. They should hire the Cancer Man as a consultant.

[The Darknight Detective]

OK, so it's a comic book show. But how did Ivy find out that these plants can have these effects? She's not Pamela Isley, with years of intense botanical research. She was a kid running the streets a few weeks ago. I know she's always had an interest in plants, but lots of people have an interest in plants and apparently none of them know about this compound that can turn people into truth-telling slaves with one whiff. If they did, every criminal, terrorist, law enforcement, military and intelligence group in the world would be using it. In order to turn Selina's room into a conservatory like that, she must have just about everyone on the hospital staff under her control.

I'm with you. It makes no sense.

[tabo61]

That was clever how Gordon alerted Cobblepot using that cellphone.

[AndrewCrossett]

It was clever, but the lameness of the Court of Owls is illustrated by the fact they didn't even bother to pat him down for an extra phone... or a concealed gun, for that matter.

Was that a smartphone Penguin gave Jim, or the usual flip phone? I don't think we've seen a smartphone on this show yet, nor any reference to the internet. TV writers today wouldn't know how to write a script without cellphones. It must be very hard for them to write a procedural without being able to rely on the magical internet as a source of all knowledge and plot convenience.

[zhris]

OK, so it's a comic book show. But how did Ivy find out that these plants can have these effects? She's not Pamela Isley, with years of intense botanical research. She was a kid running the streets a few weeks ago. I know she's always had an interest in plants, but lots of people have an interest in plants and apparently none of them know about this compound that can turn people into truth-telling slaves with one whiff. If they did, every criminal, terrorist, law enforcement, military and intelligence group in the world would be using it. In order to turn Selina's room into a conservatory like that, she must have just about everyone on the hospital staff under her control.

I'm chalking it up to plant affinity/ instinct... after becoming 'one' with the Green, she has an almost subconscious awareness of how things work.

[Osiris-Rex]

I guess Ivy brought in a cocktail of plants that... reversed Selina's brain trauma somehow? By smell, I guess?

OK, so it's a comic book show. But how did Ivy find out that these plants can have these effects? She's not Pamela Isley, with years of intense botanical research. She was a kid running the streets a few weeks ago. I know she's always had an interest in plants, but lots of people have an interest in plants and apparently none of them know about this compound that can turn people into truth-telling slaves with one whiff. If they did, every criminal, terrorist, law enforcement, military and intelligence group in the world would be using it. In order to turn Selina's room into a conservatory like that, she must have just about everyone on the hospital staff under her control.

Perhaps instead of Ivy being in control of plants, the plants are controlling Ivy. They somehow sensed they have found a defender in her against the animals, and plants made her their plant vigilante.
That would explain why criminals, the military, LEAs and spies never clued in on it. Plants don't trust criminals, the military, cops, and spies. Having a plant agent that can walk around comes in handy
as that lets Ivy put plants were they can control situations, such as the hospital staff. Perhaps because the plants could sense Ivy's fondness of Selina they felt they owed Ivy one.

[AndrewCrossett]

Boy. That was easily the stupidest, worst episode of the series so far.

I'm 50/50 on continuing to watch, at this point.

[Robotech Master]

Yikes, I've got it on DVR. That bad eh?

[AndrewCrossett]

Yikes, I've got it on DVR. That bad eh?

The stuff with Penguin and Riddler was OK. Everything else was a combination of predictable, repetitive, illogical, or just bad writing. (I have to commend Michael Chiklis for doing his best with the crap he was handed.)

The same stuff happens over and over and over again on this show. I'm hoping it was just a weak episode, and I'm pretty sure I'll give it to the end of the season at least, but... seriously, the writing needs an overhaul.

[tabo61]

I think that was the most violent episode yet.