"Batgirl" Variant Cover Cancellation Sparks Further Debate Among Comic Pros and Fans

[Jeff Brady]

As for GeekDad, I stopped following that blog due to being made to feel guilty about being a straight, white male (who enjoys the new Batgirl, imagine that).

Considering it's basically run by that demographic, I don't understand how you'd feel guilty about it. A very close friend of mine wrote that article I linked to.

[ArthurCurry]

That possibility is so small that it doesn't deserve to be recognized. He's a well-regarded artist known for his horror work. He will not suffer in any way from this.



He's "disrespectful" of entitled whiny fanboys who demand they be catered to at the expense of others, who don't want to share, who make the industry more insular & segregated. [deadpan]Oh no, what is the world coming to.[/deadpan]

Milo Manaras is a well-respected artist as well and that didn't stop the "possibility" from happening there. But let's go with what you deem worthy to be recognized.

and your second comment shows your true colors. "Whiny fanboys" can be used but if someone uses the same pejorative to refer to people who didn't want the cover it's not allowed (not I'm not actually using the term since I'm not being disrespectful).

Also asking for a variant cover to be allowed to be published can hardly be considered "being catered to." It's a variant cover. The people who wanted it removed are wanting to be catered to.

[Michael P]

I can't help but chuckle at the fact that, in part because they were behaving like spoiled children, the cover's advocates had their toy taken away. Too bad DC can't make them stand in the corner and think about what they've done.

[Outside_85]

That's the only one that matters; that's the only one that is actual oppression. Everything else is people making decisions for their own interests.

No, the other kind is known as bullying, and it's just as severe.

[JBatmanFan05]

That's the only one that matters; that's the only one that is actual oppression. Everything else is people making decisions for their own interests.

That's a naive simplistic perspective of "actual oppression" IMHO. In some circumstances, if you say have no practical alternative, then that can be just as actual as state oppression. Families can actually oppress, mobs can actually oppress, etc.

[Jacob N.]

Because, to take her at her word, then if I was to say I liked the cover that would imply she says I like torture porn. Why would I want to carry on a conversation with someone who described my tastes as being into torture porn? The act of describing it that way is very much to taint any opposing views.

For the record, the cover creeps me out, but I do not equate it to torture porn, something I am well aware of and creeps me out even more.

Well, frankly I took it as her saying the cover promotes that idea as acceptable. You can like the cover for different reasons, and I would think Wilson knows that.

And I don't mean to be standoffish with you, but it just seems like much ado about nothing with that.

[Jacob N.]

No, the other kind is known as bullying, and it's just as severe.

Except there certainly isn't any proof of bullying here, is there? In fact, there's more proof that the aggressors were those pro-cover.

[Outside_85]

Except there certainly isn't any proof of bullying here, is there? In fact, there's more proof that the aggressors were those pro-cover.

You mean other than the crowd of people finding the cover so upsetting the artist felt pressured to ask for it to be removed?

[ArthurCurry]

Except there certainly isn't any proof of bullying here, is there? In fact, there's more proof that the aggressors were those pro-cover.

Nobody's seen proof other than Cameron Stewart saying so, and for reasons mentioned he's bias. And CBR doesn't want the discussion about the proof of threats.

The "bullying" Outside 85 is referring to, and correct me if I'm wrong, is lobbying the publisher to remove the variant cover before it prints.

[yet another]

No, the other kind is known as bullying, and it's just as severe.

Yeah, rape and death threats and other things like revealing stolen personal information on the internet is definitely not cool. Luckily it's also illegal so those responsible can be apprehended and persecuted.

[Jacob N.]

You mean other than the crowd of people finding the cover so upsetting the artist felt pressured to ask for it to be removed?

If thats the case, then any negative reaction on the internet with significant agreement is bullying. Because I didn't see any death threats or anything of that sort.

Is that what you're saying?

[Jacob N.]

Nobody's seen proof other than Cameron Stewart saying so, and for reasons mentioned he's bias. And CBR doesn't want the discussion about the proof of threats.

The "bullying" Outside 85 is referring to, and correct me if I'm wrong, is lobbying the publisher to remove the variant cover before it prints.

Cameron says it was the anti-cover people bullied. DC says people were bullied, and Rafa says he wasn't bullied. i mean, nothing is coming out from the pro-cover side about them being bullied. Who else could it be?

[ArthurCurry]

Cameron says it was the anti-cover people bullied. DC says people were bullied, and Rafa says he wasn't bullied. i mean, nothing is coming out from the pro-cover side about them being bullied. Who else could it be?

I'm not sure what you're saying. DC said violence has no place, and Cameron Stewart made a statement and all news sites and blogs are using his statement to say there were threats, and the other user's reference to bullying was directed at anti-cover people bullying the publisher to remove content they didn't like.

Again I'm not sure what your post was saying and it might be a confusion of the word bullying to mean threats, but I'm pretty sure the other user used "bullying" in reference to forcing something not to print

[db105]

If thats the case, then any negative reaction on the internet with significant agreement is bullying. Because I didn't see any death threats or anything of that sort.

Is that what you're saying?

Individual reactions are not bullying. Loosely-organized mobs waiting for the word to start the next campaign are. To say nothing about painting anyone who disagrees with them as lovers of "torture porn". I have to wonder, how many of the people in the ChangeTheCover campaign are actually readers of the book?

[macattack]

Individual reactions are not bullying. Loosely-organized mobs waiting for the word to start the next campaign are. To say nothing about painting anyone who disagrees with them as lovers of "torture porn". I have to wonder, how many of the people in the ChangeTheCover campaign are actually readers of the book?

It's likely a lot of those who supported changing the cover, as well as those who didn't, do not read the book and never will regardless of how the ax fell.