How Does WW's Current Power Level Stack Up With Superman?

[Auguste Dupin]

No, not weird at all.

If you tell me the Enterprise can travel at faster then light velocities by creating a localised space warp, I can buy that.

If you tell it's done by using chocolate eclairs as a power source, willing suspension of disbelief just took a photon torpedo to the head.

In other words, there are things which are obviously physically impossible but the mind is prepared to accept them for story purpose. And then there are things which are just eclair powered Starships.

Yeah, and you know what?
Nobody agrees on where the line is.
If I can accept that a well placed Kamehamehah from Goku can blow up a planet, I sure can accept that Superman can virtually press one(because truth is, he didn't actually press a planet, he pressed the equivalent of a planet, meaning that there's probably a few problems of physics that would prevent it from actually happening).

[Auguste Dupin]

I swear, that scene was so stupid. Not even Morrison's superman could do that (and morrison writes the golden age version of superman). He had to be supercharged and dying from solar overexposure to do it.

We are talking about the Superman that did learn to be a surgeon by reading every medical text in a library in a matter of minutes?
Because I think I will take the planet pressing as less impossible.

[BlackFeath]

Sure but we're speaking on comparable physiology. Wonder Woman can be hurt by things like bullets and sharp objects with enough force.

In the new 52 we haven't seen her getting hurt with bullets or sharp objects, so far.

Her and Superman don't have comparable physiology outside of strength and speed (her flying is magic). There's also the idea of Kryptionians growing in power over time the longer they are under a yellow sun. So to put numbers to the distance in power between a male Kryptonian and an Amazon makes little sense in the long run since in about 5 years or so that Kryptonian has jumped leaps and bounds by just sitting around in the sun.

So it seems to make more sense to compare Kara and Faora (Wonder Woman only beat Kara through skill and not power) to Superman if we're comparing the characters in such a way.

This thing of kryptonian getting stronger under the sun...it depends on how they get stronger. You assume that their power increases costantly over the time, but that may not be the case. In fact, did actually Superman get much more stronger in the last 5 years, since the fight against Darkseid? It doesn't seem the case to me. Probably his power increased more in the early years because he was still growing up, or it can also be that their power increases for a certain period of time and then it stops, reaching a limit.

About Wonder Woman. Of course all her powers (also strength and speed) have a different origin, and so you can't compare her and Clark this way.
Anyway, since the strength of kryptonians depends on the energy of the Sun their cells absorbs and not on their muscles, I don't see why a female kryptonian can't have the same strength of a male one.
Kara is still younger than Clark, so, when she reaches his age she may reach also his strength.

Wonder Woman defeated Kara with skills...but she wasn't weaker than her, and she didn't even fight seriously, all she did was trying to restrain her. Supergirl attacked and Diana avoided or took the blows without any problems. What Wonder Woman said was that they were closely matched in strength and speed, but that the greatest difference among the two was in skills, that made her won easily.
Kara on the other hand thinks "she looks as strong as Kal", and then she repeats "She is too fast" and "she moves too fast I never have a chance".

[brettc1]

We are talking about the Superman that did learn to be a surgeon by reading every medical text in a library in a matter of minutes?
Because I think I will take the planet pressing as less impossible.

Actually, no. Hyper learning of technical data is something I could more readily accept, based on characters like Data or the Krell brain booste in a Forbidden Planet.mI'm not saying this incident good from a story point of view, but it's more plausible.

Sucks to be Batman though.

[brettc1]

In the new 52 we haven't seen her getting hurt with bullets or sharp objects, so far.



This thing of kryptonian getting stronger under the sun...it depends on how they get stronger. You assume that their power increases costantly over the time, but that may not be the case. In fact, did actually Superman get much more stronger in the last 5 years, since the fight against Darkseid? It doesn't seem the case to me. Probably his power increased more in the early years because he was still growing up, or it can also be that their power increases for a certain period of time and then it stops, reaching a limit.

About Wonder Woman. Of course all her powers (also strength and speed) have a different origin, and so you can't compare her and Clark this way.
Anyway, since the strength of kryptonians depends on the energy of the Sun their cells absorbs and not on their muscles, I don't see why a female kryptonian can't have the same strength of a male one.
Kara is still younger than Clark, so, when she reaches his age she may reach also his strength.

Wonder Woman defeated Kara with skills...but she wasn't weaker than her, and she didn't even fight seriously, all she did was trying to restrain her. Supergirl attacked and Diana avoided or took the blows without any problems. What Wonder Woman said was that they were closely matched in strength and speed, but that the greatest difference among the two was in skills, that made her won easily.
Kara on the other hand thinks "she looks as strong as Kal", and then she repeats "She is too fast" and "she moves too fast I never have a chance".

I think this is an example of the Dwayne McDuffie principle that many Superfans have said is mere hubris on the part of Wonder Woman.

[Superlad93]

In the new 52 we haven't seen her getting hurt with bullets or sharp objects, so far.

Then why does she block arrows, bullets and other sharp objects if she can take them. I think it's obviously implied that she can still be harmed by such things.

This thing of kryptonian getting stronger under the sun...it depends on how they get stronger. You assume that their power increases costantly over the time, but that may not be the case. In fact, did actually Superman get much more stronger in the last 5 years, since the fight against Darkseid?

Actually I can prove this as the Superman who fight Darkseid was the same Superman who was seen in Action Comics #1 up till 8. Action Comics 10 takes place after the JL first arc and 9 is a whole other Superman. The Superman in 1-8 just just about stop a 200mph train and sort kinda fly (called it a "half jump half fly"). Rockets hurt, and he used his cape to protect him before he got the suit.

That Superman after a month or so is the one who fought Darkseid. Also Superman did say that every year he hears a little more and soon he'll hear everything. One can then add in the fact that people like Shay who have studied his powers say lines like "your powers are still growing it seems". So apply that to the "every year" comment by Superman himself and it's pretty safe to say that his powers grows constantly in increments.

It doesn't seem the case to me. Probably his power increased more in the early years because he was still growing up, or it can also be that their power increases for a certain period of time and then it stops, reaching a limit.

Doesn't seem to be the case. There has actually only been evidence to the opposite.

About Wonder Woman. Of course all her powers (also strength and speed) have a different origin, and so you can't compare her and Clark this way.

That's my point. Kara or Faora make more sense to compare and put numbers and biology too.

Anyway, since the strength of kryptonians depends on the energy of the Sun their cells absorbs and not on their muscles, I don't see why a female kryptonian can't have the same strength of a male one.

Well the base of it starts with their advanced muscular development and the gravity effect (as implied in Action Comics 5). So if a full grown male Kryptonian and a full grown female Kryptonian go to Earth at the same time and the second they get their they have an arm wrestling match the male will win due since muscular mass and build play a factor now. But as time goes on it's more than possible for the female to over take the male I'd imagine unless the males filter sunlight better or something like that. So far Kara who has taken in around the same amount of sunlight as Kal (20 some odd years) is still a good bit weaker than him. So who's to say.

Kara is still younger than Clark, so, when she reaches his age she may reach also his strength.

Maybe but if it were about sunlight then she'd already be his power level now. She's not.

Wonder Woman defeated Kara with skills...but she wasn't weaker than her, and she didn't even fight seriously, all she did was trying to restrain her. Supergirl attacked and Diana avoided or took the blows without any problems. What Wonder Woman said was that they were closely matched in strength and speed, but that the greatest difference among the two was in skills, that made her won easily.

I never said she was weaker. I actually said they were roughly the same power and so did Wonder Woman. I'd believe the intuition of a trained fighter like Wonder Woman in a situation like this.

Kara on the other hand thinks "she looks as strong as Kal", and then she repeats "She is too fast" and "she moves too fast I never have a chance".

Yup and Kara also thinks that she's as strong as Kal herself. She tells him "I'm as strong as you". Superman knowing says in his head "not quiet" cuz she simply isn't and he knows but she doesn't. She's a bit arrogant with her power. It's they only thing she can truly claim and call her own in this strange new world. So I wouldn't at all trust her assessment of anything from her two seconds of knowing Wonder Woman and only saying "she LOOKS" as strong as him. Hell Superman could look as fast as Flash to an on looker but we know damn well that's not true. Her only time seeing Kal's power was when she tried to fight him and he never threw a punch back but instead took her shots and tried to talk.

[BlackFeath]

Then why does she block arrows, bullets and other sharp objects if she can take them. I think it's obviously implied that she can still be harmed by such things.

In Smallville it is actually stated that she is bullet proof and yet she uses her bracelets to deflect the bullets anyway, so why can't this be the case too? If you don't see a normal bullet hit and harm her, you can't have a proof.
The fact she deflects the bullets can be easily explained in other ways. She is a warrior, she is trained to react, not to stay still and take attacks at random.
Also, since she often has to fight against gods and magic weapons which can instead hurt her, it makes her sense to use them instead of risking something like this:



If she has the same durability of the other godS, she should be bullet proofs: Apollo and the First Born have been showed as such. Anyway, no proofs: no way to be sure.

Actually I can prove this as the Superman who fight Darkseid was the same Superman who was seen in Action Comics #1 up till 8. Action Comics 10 takes place after the JL first arc and 9 is a whole other Superman. The Superman in 1-8 just just about stop a 200mph train and sort kinda fly (called it a "half jump half fly"). Rockets hurt, and he used his cape to protect him before he got the suit.

That Superman after a month or so is the one who fought Darkseid. Also Superman did say that every year he hears a little more and soon he'll hear everything. One can then add in the fact that people like Shay who have studied his powers say lines like "your powers are still growing it seems". So apply that to the "every year" comment by Superman himself and it's pretty safe to say that his powers grows constantly in increments. Doesn't seem to be the case. There has actually only been evidence to the opposite.

I didn't explain myself clearly. I am not saying that increment has already stopped, what I wanted to say is that his power could increase slowly with time, and then reach a limit, in this way:



(Consider only a curve and that there's time on x-axis and strength on y-axis).

(Superman after defeating Darkseid said that he could already fly into space, anyway).

That's my point. Kara or Faora make more sense to compare and put numbers and biology too.


Well the base of it starts with their advanced muscular development and the gravity effect (as implied in Action Comics 5). So if a full grown male Kryptonian and a full grown female Kryptonian go to Earth at the same time and the second they get their they have an arm wrestling match the male will win due since muscular mass and build play a factor now. But as time goes on it's more than possible for the female to over take the male I'd imagine unless the males filter sunlight better or something like that. So far Kara who has taken in around the same amount of sunlight as Kal (20 some odd years) is still a good bit weaker than him. So who's to say.

Maybe but if it were about sunlight then she'd already be his power level now. She's not.

I know we can't know, but it may be the case. Actually the fact Kara is not yet as strong as his cousin, even if she was under the Sun for 20 years, instead of a hint that Kryptonian males are stronger, could be a hint that age is a dominant factor for their level of strength, and so that she is not as strong as him, because she is not an adult yet.

I never said she was weaker. I actually said they were roughly the same power and so did Wonder Woman. I'd believe the intuition of a trained fighter like Wonder Woman in a situation like this.

Yup and Kara also thinks that she's as strong as Kal herself. She tells him "I'm as strong as you". Superman knowing says in his head "not quiet" cuz she simply isn't and he knows but she doesn't. She's a bit arrogant with her power. It's they only thing she can truly claim and call her own in this strange new world. So I wouldn't at all trust her assessment of anything from her two seconds of knowing Wonder Woman and only saying "she LOOKS" as strong as him. Hell Superman could look as fast as Flash to an on looker but we know damn well that's not true. Her only time seeing Kal's power was when she tried to fight him and he never threw a punch back but instead took her shots and tried to talk.

Actually the arrogant one could be Kal xD Anyway, the fact that Kara says that Diana seems as strong as Kal is not an affermation that goes against Diana's saying that their speed and strength is closely matched. They can both be true. They are near the same power level, but Diana is stronger, just as Kal is stronger than Supergirl, but they are still close.

Anyway, even if you don't take Kara seriously on her judging on Diana's strength, what about her speed? I don't think she could have failed on judging this as well. She realized that Diana was faster than her because she couldn’t move as fast as her xD

[Raiden]

Toyman.
Prankster.
Mxyzptlk.
Oswald Cobblepot.
Edward Nigma.
The Mad Hatter.

Has prankster appeared in new 52? Mxyzptlk is reality warper, possibly more powerful than darkseid.
Oswald is one of the most used batman villains, he is literally in every batman story but never the main villain of story, he exists only to be beaten and bullied, in recent issue of batman eternal his casino was destroyed by nobodies, he certainly has a lot in common with dr psycho. Edward nigma is another corny villain. The only reason he is one of baddies in zero year is because Snyder is fan of character. The mad hatter is another character nobody wants to see, even hardcore fans don't like him.

[Zagreus]

Has prankster appeared in new 52? Mxyzptlk is reality warper, possibly more powerful than darkseid.
Oswald is one of the most used batman villains, he is literally in every batman story but never the main villain of story, he exists only to be beaten and bullied, in recent issue of batman eternal his casino was destroyed by nobodies, he certainly has a lot in common with dr psycho. Edward nigma is another corny villain. The only reason he is one of baddies in zero year is because Snyder is fan of character. The mad hatter is another character nobody wants to see, even hardcore fans don't like him.

I think you can do.. like ONE good story with the Mad Hatter. Then he should go back on the shelf.

[Dr. Hurt]

I like the Mad Hatter. Not everything in comics has to be serious business you know? And even he can become serious business like he was in... uh... "Robin Year One" was it?

[Superlad93]

In Smallville it is actually stated that she is bullet proof and yet she uses her bracelets to deflect the bullets anyway, so why can't this be the case too? If you don't see a normal bullet hit and harm her, you can't have a proof.
The fact she deflects the bullets can be easily explained in other ways. She is a warrior, she is trained to react, not to stay still and take attacks at random.
Also, since she often has to fight against gods and magic weapons which can instead hurt her, it makes her sense to use them instead of risking something like this
If she has the same durability of the other godS, she should be bullet proofs: Apollo and the First Born have been showed as such. Anyway, no proofs: no way to be sure

Do all the gods have the same durability? Till we see her actually take a bullet or have it be said I have no reason to think otherwise. It's like the controversy with Superman's armor a while back. People were thinking that he needed it to stop bullets and larger attacks because he needed it to fight the Collector and Darkseid. But then Lobdell showed us and told us that he didn't need it at all and that he had it just to honor his family.

So still a similar thing happens for Wonder Woman I don't really see why I should think otherwise.

I didn't explain myself clearly. I am not saying that increment has already stopped, what I wanted to say is that his power could increase slowly with time, and then reach a limit, in this way:

(Consider only a curve and that there's time on x-axis and strength on y-axis).

(Superman after defeating Darkseid said that he could already fly into space, anyway).

Nope he still couldn't fly fully. In Action Comics #11 he tells Batman (after the JL's first meeting outside of the first arc in theJL book) that he now has a house in space. Batman ask how does he get up there. He says "it's sort of a half jump half fly thing, but you'd need a ship". Then over in Action comics 8 a few weeks after the Collector attacked, Superman was visiting his parents graves telling them about the new world of Superheros that are springing up. He jumps up and then then starts to half fly into space. We then see him in the space Fortress.

So when he says he can "fly" into space he's only telling half the truth. His powers were still quite weak. Also there is no indication at all that he will reach a limit. In fact the opposite seems to be implied right now. Lex speaks to Superman on He'l and tells Superman that he could be doing the things that He'l does (at least the level of power) if he would only choose to. Then Wraith sheds more light on this by telling Superman that he will one day be as powerful as he is if he keeps absorbing yellow sun.

Wraith has been on Earth since 1939. He suggest to Superman that since he has been on Earth for this long that his powers have kept changing and growing and never has he said that they stopped. The evidence that his powers maybe very well have no limit is there. Time and imagination seem to be the only limiters on his powers.

I know we can't know, but it may be the case. Actually the fact Kara is not yet as strong as his cousin, even if she was under the Sun for 20 years, instead of a hint that Kryptonian males are stronger, could be a hint that age is a dominant factor for their level of strength, and so that she is not as strong as him, because she is not an adult yet.

Could be. I think that's a safe bet actually.

Actually the arrogant one could be Kal xD Anyway, the fact that Kara says that Diana seems as strong as Kal is not an affermation that goes against Diana's saying that their speed and strength is closely matched. They can both be true. They are near the same power level, but Diana is stronger, just as Kal is stronger than Supergirl, but they are still close.

But Wonder Woman clearly states that her skill was the only deciding factor. As for Superman we have the fact that he is known as the undisputed and unanimous "strongest being in the world" (maybe the galaxy) by so many people. In fact doctor Shy (who has studied BOTH Superman and Supergirl) has stated this. If the difference in power were not that much then why call him that? Why say only he can do this or only he can do that. So Kara saying "I'm as strong as you" is just not a true assessment at all. So then why would I believe her assessment with Wonder Woman?

Anyway, even if you don't take Kara seriously on her judging on Diana's strength, what about her speed? I don't think she could have failed on judging this as well. She realized that Diana was faster than her because she couldn’t move as fast as her xD

I don't know maybe. She was rather new to her powers then (it had just been a few days on Earth), but that might not matter. I mean she was comparing herself to Wonder Woman (a person whom she is physically seeing best her) rather than Kal (someone who literally never attacked her once and she just guessed at) so sure seems more logical.


All in all this is getting away from my point which was that it would make more sense to compare the male and female of the Kryptonian race than a male and Wonder Woman (who is a god). If you wanted to put numbers and factors to it then it just makes more sense to compare the Kryptonians in that manner. This is NOT saying Wonder Woman is somehow weaker than Faora or Kara (she seems to be as strong as both of them if not a bit stronger).

[mathew101281]

Has prankster appeared in new 52? Mxyzptlk is reality warper, possibly more powerful than darkseid.
Oswald is one of the most used batman villains, he is literally in every batman story but never the main villain of story, he exists only to be beaten and bullied, in recent issue of batman eternal his casino was destroyed by nobodies, he certainly has a lot in common with dr psycho. Edward nigma is another corny villain. The only reason he is one of baddies in zero year is because Snyder is fan of character. The mad hatter is another character nobody wants to see, even hardcore fans don't like him.

yeah Mxyzptlk really doesn't belong on that list.

[BlackFeath]

Do all the gods have the same durability? Till we see her actually take a bullet or have it be said I have no reason to think otherwise. It's like the controversy with Superman's armor a while back. People were thinking that he needed it to stop bullets and larger attacks because he needed it to fight the Collector and Darkseid. But then Lobdell showed us and told us that he didn't need it at all and that he had it just to honor his family.

So still a similar thing happens for Wonder Woman I don't really see why I should think otherwise.

Well, we think differentely on this^^. Till we don't have any proofs, I won't say she is not bullet proof, because really...if it wasn't for the fact that in the past it has been like this, seeing her taking a missile without any problems, why one should think that a bullet can hurt her? xD




And anyway, in the last years pre52, the times when she was harmed by arrows, bullets, ecc..., it was stated that the weapons were magically enhanced or god made:





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Nope he still couldn't fly fully. In Action Comics #11 he tells Batman (after the JL's first meeting outside of the first arc in theJL book) that he now has a house in space. Batman ask how does he get up there. He says "it's sort of a half jump half fly thing, but you'd need a ship". Then over in Action comics 8 a few weeks after the Collector attacked, Superman was visiting his parents graves telling them about the new world of Superheros that are springing up. He jumps up and then then starts to half fly into space. We then see him in the space Fortress.

So when he says he can "fly" into space he's only telling half the truth. His powers were still quite weak. Also there is no indication at all that he will reach a limit. In fact the opposite seems to be implied right now. Lex speaks to Superman on He'l and tells Superman that he could be doing the things that He'l does (at least the level of power) if he would only choose to. Then Wraith sheds more light on this by telling Superman that he will one day be as powerful as he is if he keeps absorbing yellow sun.

Wraith has been on Earth since 1939. He suggest to Superman that since he has been on Earth for this long that his powers have kept changing and growing and never has he said that they stopped. The evidence that his powers maybe very well have no limit is there. Time and imagination seem to be the only limiters on his powers.

It seems to me that different writers look at the subject in a different ways, since it looked like he was really flying to me in the first arc of JL, when trying to avoid the omega beam, he wasn't jumping, and he was moving almost at Flash's speed while flying, so...I'd say it is an inconsistency rather than a half truth on his part.
I guess it depends on what the writers will want to do.
It can be that his powers will continue to grow constantly, or it can still be that they won't increase as fast as in the early years forever, and that one day he will reach a limit. The fact that Wraith has not reached it, doesn't mean it couldn't exist, if the writers will want it to.

Anyway, I don't think we will ever see this.
It's more probable that we will see his powers continue to fluctuate just like we have till now: one time he lifts Earth without any problems, than the next one he needs help to lift an aircraft carrier, or he struggles to lift a ship.

But Wonder Woman clearly states that her skill was the only deciding factor. As for Superman we have the fact that he is known as the undisputed and unanimous "strongest being in the world" (maybe the galaxy) by so many people. In fact doctor Shy (who has studied BOTH Superman and Supergirl) has stated this. If the difference in power were not that much then why call him that? Why say only he can do this or only he can do that. So Kara saying "I'm as strong as you" is just not a true assessment at all. So then why would I believe her assessment with Wonder Woman?

I don't know maybe. She was rather new to her powers then (it had just been a few days on Earth), but that might not matter. I mean she was comparing herself to Wonder Woman (a person whom she is physically seeing best her) rather than Kal (someone who literally never attacked her once and she just guessed at) so sure seems more logical.

All in all this is getting away from my point which was that it would make more sense to compare the male and female of the Kryptonian race than a male and Wonder Woman (who is a god). If you wanted to put numbers and factors to it then it just makes more sense to compare the Kryptonians in that manner. This is NOT saying Wonder Woman is somehow weaker than Faora or Kara (she seems to be as strong as both of them if not a bit stronger).

When Wonder Woman states that, she does to make a point to Supergirl (or at least that's how I read it), since shortly before she states also that strength doesn't come just with powers, but with skills too, and also with knowing your enemy, and that Supergirl was fighting like a child. In the first part of the fight Diana doesn't attack...she takes her punch, deflects her heat vision, and then avoid her blows and finally catches Supergirl in her lasso.
So sure...the greatest difference between the two was the training, while in strength and speed they were closely matched. Closely matched doesn't mean they were the same, though. She should have said "we have the same strength and speed", instead, for it to be so.

Maybe he is really the highest "concentrate of raw power" on Earth (I like this definition of Lex better), but the "strongest being" in the galaxy seems quite false, though, since for example H'el was stronger than him, wasn't he? xD

Anyway, yes...it makes more sense to compare Kryptonians in that way.

[brettc1]

Has prankster appeared in new 52? Mxyzptlk is reality warper, possibly more powerful than darkseid.
Oswald is one of the most used batman villains, he is literally in every batman story but never the main villain of story, he exists only to be beaten and bullied, in recent issue of batman eternal his casino was destroyed by nobodies, he certainly has a lot in common with dr psycho. Edward nigma is another corny villain. The only reason he is one of baddies in zero year is because Snyder is fan of character. The mad hatter is another character nobody wants to see, even hardcore fans don't like him.

A lot of WW's villains supposedly lame villains have not turned up either.

I seem to recall in No Mans Land Penguin played a big role. Riddlers appearance shows just be cues some folks think a character is lame doesn't mean he can't stand out. Personally I thought Riddler was one of the stand villains in the animated show The Batman.

Mxyzptlk is, by you own analysis, proof that the characters appearance can be secondary to their abilities. For sheer villainy and depth of character Psycho boots Mxy all the way back to the 5th Dimension.

[Lax]

Nope he still couldn't fly fully. In Action Comics #11 he tells Batman (after the JL's first meeting outside of the first arc in theJL book) that he now has a house in space. Batman ask how does he get up there. He says "it's sort of a half jump half fly thing, but you'd need a ship". Then over in Action comics 8 a few weeks after the Collector attacked, Superman was visiting his parents graves telling them about the new world of Superheros that are springing up. He jumps up and then then starts to half fly into space. We then see him in the space Fortress.

So when he says he can "fly" into space he's only telling half the truth. His powers were still quite weak. Also there is no indication at all that he will reach a limit. In fact the opposite seems to be implied right now. Lex speaks to Superman on He'l and tells Superman that he could be doing the things that He'l does (at least the level of power) if he would only choose to. Then Wraith sheds more light on this by telling Superman that he will one day be as powerful as he is if he keeps absorbing yellow sun.

Wraith has been on Earth since 1939. He suggest to Superman that since he has been on Earth for this long that his powers have kept changing and growing and never has he said that they stopped. The evidence that his powers maybe very well have no limit is there. Time and imagination seem to be the only limiters on his powers.

What are your thoughts on Superman's power level not resetting to "beginner" after he's been drained of all his solar energy? For example, in SM/WW he was weakened by Zod and took a nuke to the face. He had zero solar energy reserves after that.


Then when he received enough sunlight to get healthy his powers were at the level they were just before Zod and the nuke, not back in the early days of Action Comics.