Comics Debate & Discourse: How To Be a Hero By Being An Ally

[Scarlet Frost]

Chasing perfection was how things got worse for everyone in dictatorships. No other states declare perfect social harmony as a goal.

Actually the country of Bhutan would probably argue with you on that as they measure the success of their country in "Gross National Happiness".

Also, for the love of God, stop adding things to your answers that were not in any way indicated as a directive in your questions.

[Mark]

That just proves my point.

No it doesn't.

[Scarlet Frost]

Have you read Loke, Agent of Asgard?
He's arguably Marvel's most high-profile queer character, and they don't come more tarnished than the God of Lies.
Phyla-Vell somehow managed to be both arrogant and insecure. Her girlfriend Moondragon is borderline psychotic.
Destiny and Mystique are terrorists with blood on their hands.

Northstar, their first gay hero, was created as an insufferable jerk. He's softened a bit, but he is still an arrogant ass.

The "heroes" in Milestone's Blood Syndicate were all minorities, and they included a crack addict and a teenage parent.

Over at DC, Scandal Savage is both a lesbian and a killer. So is her girlfriend, Knockout. Renée Montoya is an alcoholic.

What books do you read to get the impression that all minority characters are perfect little gems?

I believe the perfect little gems thing comes out if you want to be recognized as equal you have to be twice as good.

[Jeff Brady]

Chasing perfection was how things got worse for everyone in dictatorships. No other states declare perfect social harmony as a goal.

1) This isn't a dictatorship.

2) Things like "racial purity" aren't a goal, nor is it a symbol of perfection.

3) WTF does this have to do with media representation that's not mired in stereotypes or respectability politics?

[Arundel Armor Hunter]

Actually the country of Bhutan would probably argue with you on that as they measure the success of their country in "Gross National Happiness".

happiness=harmony and perfection? Since when?

[Arundel Armor Hunter]

1) This isn't a dictatorship.

2) Things like "racial purity" aren't a goal, nor is it a symbol of perfection.

3) WTF does this have to do with media representation that's not mired in stereotypes or respectability politics?

1) What do you mean by this?

3) Is there something wrong with being respectful? Racist get banned around here after a couple of minutes, so do people advocating for opressive dictatorship.

[Double 0]

All this derailing is a clear example of bad ally-ship. Like Jeff, I want this to get back on topic.

[Jeff Brady]

No it doesn't.

Deny it all you want. Your taste is formed by your upbringing & education. How you were raised was influenced by political decisions.

The media you consume was created by people & corporations making political decisions based on what they think is right.

[Double 0]

Deny it all you want. Your taste is formed by your upbringing & education. How you were raised was influenced by political decisions.

The media you consume was created by people & corporations making political decisions based on what they think is right.

To quote Upton Sinclair, “All art is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda; sometimes unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda.”

[Scarlet Frost]

happiness=harmony and perfection? Since when?

Before you ask that, please explain how it could not be such.

[Arundel Armor Hunter]

Before you ask that, please explain how it could not be such.

Conflict, struggle and tension are natural parts of human existence. People feel joy when something is achieved.

[Jeff Brady]

happiness=harmony and perfection? Since when?

How does harmony detract from or prevent hapiness?

1) What do you mean by this?

The USA, social media, CBR...I don't know. Why did you bring dictatorships into this in the first place? Some kind of fear-mongering about Nazi Germany coming about because people are tired of being treated unequally?

3) Is there something wrong with being respectful? Racist get banned around here after a couple of minutes, so do people advocating for opressive dictatorship.

No one here is advocating for the latter.

If you don't understand what "respectability politics" means, you could either look it up, or ask.

[Arundel Armor Hunter]

How does harmony detract from or prevent hapiness?



The USA, social media, CBR...I don't know. Why did you bring dictatorships into this in the first place? Some kind of fear-mongering about Nazi Germany coming about because people are tired of being treated unequally?



No one here is advocating for the latter.

If you don't understand what "respectability politics" means, you could either look it up, or ask.

Jeff Brady:

The USA, social media, CBR...I don't know. Why did you bring dictatorships into this in the first place? Some kind of fear-mongering about Nazi Germany coming about because people are tired of being treated unequally?

Who started arguing that only complete harmony is the only solution? That's right blue collar people, better clean up that language or you cannot be socialists.

If you don't understand what "respectability politics" means, you could either look it up, or ask.

It worked for gay people.

How does harmony detract from or prevent hapiness?

Complete harmony cannot be achieved by this species. AKA perfection.

[Mark]

Deny it all you want. Your taste is formed by your upbringing & education. How you were raised was influenced by political decisions.

The media you consume was created by people & corporations making political decisions based on what they think is right.

True, but this is a moral and historical objection, not a political one. I don't like what I feel is the down grading of the amazon's from good to bad. Might as well tell me that I didn't like and didn't finish the book Simplicius Simplicissmius because of my politics.

[Jeff Brady]

Yeah, the you have been brainwashed argument. Sweet.

That's not even close to what I said. Again, if you don't understand something, just ask.

Conflict, struggle and tension are natural parts of human existence. People feel joy when something is achieved.

I feel joy when I listen to music. I felt no joy when I graduated college.

Conflict, struggle & tension doesn't mean people have to suffer.