Another bit on Wonder Woman: Earth One.

[Blacksun]

Just because he says he will take inspiration from Marston's run doesn't mean he will do every thing the exact same way.
He has implied in an interview he had some cool new idea about Diana's birth, so apparently no clay this time

It's a huge part of marston the clay birth. So I'm curious about this new origin.

But I find funny that morrison think clay is bizarre and creepy

[AmiMizuno]

It's a huge part of marston the clay birth. So I'm curious about this new origin.

But I find funny that morrison think clay is bizarre and creepy

He did say it would be some Amazonian tech that makes Hippoltya have Diana

[Blacksun]

He did say it would be some Amazonian tech that makes Hippoltya have Diana

that is interesting

[Largo161]

He did say it would be some Amazonian tech that makes Hippoltya have Diana

I'm skeptical. For me, the origin was not something that needed to be tampered with in any substantial way. I enjoyed Morrison's All-Star Superman quite a bit, though, so I'm trying to keep a positive mindset.

[borntohula]

Could you point me to where Morrison indicates he's doing without the clay origin?

Here you are.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=47357

I'm skeptical. For me, the origin was not something that needed to be tampered with in any substantial way. I enjoyed Morrison's All-Star Superman quite a bit, though, so I'm trying to keep a positive mindset.

The Kents died in GM's Action comics and Clark still became a super farmboy. Same thing with the recent stuff about Hippolyta really being Diana's mother, Diana is still a lover/warrior fueled by mercy, pride and such (well, to some writers at least. But the rest seems to be learning).

So, I think it'll be fine

[Agent Z]

Given the stuff Morrison tends to write, I'm surprised at his opinion of the clay origin.

[Javier Velasco]

I wonder if Morrison feels that God forming Adam out of clay makes him creepy and too remote.

[borntohula]

Here's a good interview with Morrison on the WW book.

http://nerdist.com/grant-morrison-ta...sity-and-more/

“What’s the technology like? What do they do? What’s the impact like? Diana comes from that reality to our world of constant movement and chaos and fashion, so it’s about that. The mythological aspects? I don’t buy into that much at all. Hercules? He’s just a man. A big, brutish, hairy man and he represents all the patriarchy in this story. Honestly, this is a feminist science fiction story.”

“In her original version, she was expressing her creator’s interest, which included weird bondage and ideas about female superiority that I think are quite unhealthy. But there’s something great in that character and she’s a feminist f#€!n’ icon. She’s got her own problems and fat friends, she lives the way we all live, but she can punch through ceilings, and to make it that story we have to pit the feminist utopia against the current system. It’s not a superhero story, it’s a Wonder Woman story.”

Given the stuff Morrison tends to write, I'm surprised at his opinion of the clay origin.

Well, we don't know yet what he'll make of it. Sounds like it's still "there" in one way, myth, scifi or another. He says in the Kevin Smith podcast that he's found a way to work around it, still keeping the women making another woman aspect of it.

Here's the whole podcast. Sounds really interesting. Sounds as if bondage and other weird Marston stuff will make a comeback. Also alot on sexuality, gender and stuff. Grant is joking that it's a Disney princess story haha.

http://smodcast.com/episodes/more-with-morrison/

I wonder if Morrison feels that God forming Adam out of clay makes him creepy and too remote.

I'm not sure if this is a good thing to add to the discussion? Could easily become about whether if it's just a story or not, also if Grant's an atheist or not.

[My Two Cents]

We do know that Diana shows a lot of her cheeks

[Largo161]

Here you are.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=47357

Oh, yes, this article. I had already read that but forgotten about it.

"Remote" ...le sigh. Someone else determined to fix what wasn't broken.

[Auguste Dupin]

I wonder if Morrison feels that God forming Adam out of clay makes him creepy and too remote.

Considering that Morrison once said that "religion is to spirituality what porn is to sex", I doubt he thinks all that much of the story of Adam.

[Kid A]

Considering that Morrison once said that "religion is to spirituality what porn is to sex", I doubt he thinks all that much of the story of Adam.

Damn, that's an amazing quote.

[Javier Velasco]

"I'm not sure if this is a good thing to add to the discussion? Could easily become about whether if it's just a story or not, also if Grant's an atheist or not."

Grant's personal beliefs don't come into it.

The thing is if you look at mythologies from all over the world, the idea of real humans being formed from clay, trees, the ocean, etc, are part and parcel of creation myths. In Greek mythology, you have Galatea being formed by Pygmalion from marble and Deucalion and Pyrrha bring the human race back after the deluge by creating them from rocks.

Whether you believe in Adam and Eve as a fact or whether just think of them as a mythological fable, doesn't matter. What matters is do you empathize less with Adam because he was formed from clay?

Over the years, we have had many creators and fans repeat over and over that Diana's clay origin makes her less accessible because she was formed from clay and given life by a god. But this assertion is never made against other characters who have similar origins. Why?

[Auguste Dupin]

"I'm not sure if this is a good thing to add to the discussion? Could easily become about whether if it's just a story or not, also if Grant's an atheist or not."

Grant's personal beliefs don't come into it.

The thing is if you look at mythologies from all over the world, the idea of real humans being formed from clay, trees, the ocean, etc, are part and parcel of creation myths. In Greek mythology, you have Galatea being formed by Pygmalion from marble and Deucalion and Pyrrha bring the human race back after the deluge by creating them from rocks.

Whether you believe in Adam and Eve as a fact or whether just think of them as a mythological fable, doesn't matter. What matters is do you empathize less with Adam because he was formed from clay?

Over the years, we have had many creators and fans repeat over and over that Diana's clay origin makes her less accessible because she was formed from clay and given life by a god. But this assertion is never made against other characters who have similar origins. Why?

Well, on a purely personal level, I've never emphasized with Adam, mostly because:
a) as an atheist (well, bordering on agnostic), I never found the Biblical Genesis to be very interesting as a story.
b) Adam's whole stick is that, before he ate the apple, he was little more than an innocent idiot. He has nothing you can identify with, except maybe the desire to run around naked. In a way, he was very inhuman, and I suppose you could argue that the fact he was made from clay was symbolically a part of it.
But I don't really understand why you bring him up. I mean, Adam isn't the protagonist of the Bible. He's barely the protagonist of his own stories. The casting of Eden is more about Eve being corrupted by the Snake than about him. And in the Abel and Cain story, the protagonists are, well, Cain and Abel.
Also, yes, in the regard of Wonder Woman Earth One, it is very much about Morrison's opinion. He thinks her origin is creepy, and that religion is something we should have overgrown by now (so the Adam argument is probably not going to work on him). So yeah, she's probably not going to have it anymore. Now, what does he have in mind. No clue. Probably something weird.)

[Auguste Dupin]

Damn, that's an amazing quote.

I know, right? I think I had it as a signature for while in another forum.