Nicely said and I agree on all counts.
I really like Sam and would have supported a Falcon book. I am not a fan of Remender or the shoe-horning of Falcon as Cap, which is why I am not reading it. I have no idea wth Marvel is doing with Winter Soldier but that is all due to the absolute mess that was Original Sin anyway. And even in the whole Battleworld scenario, i Have no interest with this 3 issue Red Skull Winter Soldier thing.
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No, those quoted definitions were for the word "minority." Minority doesn't have one single definition (percentage of a group). Read the red parts I highlighted for you. And minority is often used for minority group, they don't have different meanings, WHEN USED IN THE CONTEXT OF DIVERSITY. And that's exactly the context of the post I responded to, that claimed female Thor didn't represent anyone.
Again, by your definition, Asians aren't minorities. Blacks aren't minorities in Africa. Men are a minority. Some neighborhoods in the US whites are a minority. All of which is untrue, in a discussion about diversity and oppression.
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Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
No one is changing any definitions. This is not a 'new' defintion. I provided a long list of clear definitions from various dictionaries, that specifically state the word doesn't have to have anything to do with physical numbers. Read the red parts. One of them even mentions black South Africans during Apartheid are considered a minority.
Again, it's a matter of CONTEX. When talking about diversity, this is actually what the word minority means.
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Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
Well first Sif and Val are legacy characters as much as she-panther. Val is sort of she-Thor.
Secondly, it's not cause Sif and Val's books did not sell that ever book with these characters won't sell. Hell from afar, Fearless Defenders seemed to be a bunch of monkey crap. I would have bought a Valkyrie book but not this. It doesn't mean that every female characters that are not directly replacing the main character won't sell either.
Hell Marvel has never really tried to bring in a new female character and give her a title other than Jessica Jones. They've never given one to Storm or Sue or Kitty Pryde or Jean Grey. Maybe these would sell like gangbusters.
On the other hand if you are going for diversity one way might be to introduce a team, see what member is the most popular and then spin that member off. That's been done before. I still find it surprising that the company that savaged Scarlet Witch and turned Tigra into a joke has suddenly discovered female readers and diversity. For myself I've just about dried up caring for the teams of marvel Avengers. Uncanny Avengers, Dark Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Secret Avengers and here we have yet another Avengers team. I don't think this one will be any different from any of the others. Heck just make everyone on the planet an Avenger and get it over with.
The notion that Sif and Valkyrie are "legacy characters" from Thor is absurd and completely wrong in my opinion. They are part of the same mythology, they could be part of the same family of books, but they aren't legacy characters for Thor by any stretch. And neither is Angela or Loki, even if they are Thor's brothers, because they aren't in line to become assume Thor's place as a superhero at his absence.
Not even remotely, or at least it would not have been. Though Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel aren't very well known outside comics, there is still a reason that it drew so much attention. The idea of taking a name that used to belong to a blonde white woman and giving it to a Pakistani Muslim teen was considered a huge deal and much of the press coverage was focused on that which is part of the reason why the character has been a success. A lot of eyeballs were on her from the start.
Whereas, to go back to the Sif and Valkyrie example, there have been other Muslim superheroines before, and they got none of that. Why do you think we saw news stories about Kamala Khan or Simon Baz over at DC but not say, Faiza Hussain or Dust? Because nobody really cared because there was nothing much in the way of a hook.
I believe Wilson's Ms. Marvel quality is intrinsically related with how good and a new voice Wilson is to the Marvel Universe. Just like BKV's Runaways back then. What is funny is that both Miles Morales and Sam Alexander were created by two writers that we can't call it as "fresh and new talent" in the Marvel Universe. Silk and Spider-Gwen found their audiences because people demanded and people demanded because those are fresh family books for Spider-Man. The problem with the "diversity through legacy" is two fold: it's forced because there's not an actual demand for that to happen and those creating these stories aren't fresh and new voices in the Marvel Universe anymore. I think I've found out why so many people these characters feel like gimmicks, it's because the guys creating them actually can't fully understand what these characters are about.