Soy is on fire today. Set the work in progress.
Soy is on fire today. Set the work in progress.
Archers in comics have long been able to be effective without killing, Roy included. And it doesn't matter if its "Pragmatic". It's still killing. And while I've got no problem with Jason or Kory doing this, it actually fits their characters, it doesn't fit Roy at all.
Because removing one of the things that makes a character unique so you can do something far less interesting is a good thing?
You talking about Roy or Lobdell? Cause if its the latter, that just raises one of the problems with the Nu52 as a whole: Erasing years of character growth and development so writers can evolve characters in new ways...that were almost never even close to being as good as the original.
Exactly and that's the problem. I don't know how Lobdell retold the story and I really don't care (That version's not even canon anymore) Ollie is an arrogant ass who had no idea what he was doing as a guardian and is completely at fault. (And again, there's not point in citing issue numbers with me because as I keep saying, I only read the first storyline.)
It does fit N52 Roy.
It wasn't removed.Because removing one of the things that makes a character unique so you can do something far less interesting is a good thing?
Lobdell. And whether the character being good or not it comes down to subjectivity. Personally I loved N52 Roy whereas I couldn't care less for old Roy.You talking about Roy or Lobdell? Cause if its the latter, that just raises one of the problems with the Nu52 as a whole: Erasing years of character growth and development so writers can evolve characters in new ways...that were almost never even close to being as good as the original.
Then you aren't in position to discuss nor complain about it.Exactly and that's the problem. I don't know how Lobdell retold the story and I really don't care (That version's not even canon anymore) Ollie is an arrogant ass who had no idea what he was doing as a guardian and is completely at fault. (And again, there's not point in citing issue numbers with me because as I keep saying, I only read the first storyline.)
Appart from Devlin Graysons Run, his Navajo heritage was iirc never really a big part of his characterisation (NIGHTWING: OLD FRIENDS, NEW ENEMIES he iirc even tried to reconnect with his Irish heritage).
And I'm not sure if Lobdell really removed it, or just didn't brought it up. And I think in Tynions run it was actually referenced.
Roy greets Kori by speaking Navajo during the DOTF tie in stuff.
Interesting that the current arc will start in the snow and Soy keeps doing the snow Hood ninja..
Loedbell didn`t erase Roy`s Navajo background, he just seldom used it. Yes, he was the "bro" trope to Jason, think about it in these terms, Roy was the Riggs to Jason`s Murtaugh, except both being crazier dudes in general. Yes it feels like regressing the character back to when he was a teenager compared to his history Pre Flashpoint...which is exactly what they did. They brought him back to the point where he was kicking off his addiction and then joined up with Jason so essentially the main event that shaped him into maturity never came to fruiton. They basically cut any ties to his former characterization to the actual character assasination ( I love Robinson and I have no idea if it was mandated or not but CFJ is by far the stink to a good to great writting career).
I totally get to whoever followed the character since New Teen Titans to feel a lot is missing and he was acting more like his reckless younger self but that`s just it, he effectively became younger with the reboot.
That's sort of like saying that apart from Wolfman's run, Dick's relationship with Kory wasn't important to his character. Technically true, but at the same time, there's a reason certain runs are pointed to for specific characters and dynamics. And I'm far from alone in thinking Devin Grayson wrote Roy better than anyone else.
There were a LOT of plans changed over the course of CfJ's production...one of which by Robinson's own decision. From what I understand, the absolute mess that was the first 6 issues was caused by editorial squabbling and delays. Somewhere along the line though, once it was clear the book was just going to be a mini as opposed to a new ongoing, it was decided to be used to shake up the GA Family. And so for the last issue, editorial wanted Robinson to kill Mia. He refused...and compromised by saying he'd kill Lian instead.
Honestly, learning that just made it 1,000 times worse.
Which is in case of Kory also (mostly) true. Outside of the Titans Franchise (and especially in Dicks solo series) she isn't really that important opposed to his relation with Barbara that came up much more in the last ~20 years.
And honestly nowadays a white writer writing "white Navajo" could massively backfire.
Last edited by Aahz; 11-14-2017 at 02:37 PM.
As much as I like Soy's art, I'm not a fan of how he draws Jason's face and hair. Besides Jim Lee, I haven't really seen anyone land the look for Jason from the neck up.
Jim Lee only drew him for one issue and a half during "Hush".
Might be his rendition clicked that well for some but as far as setting a memorable look, I think artwork under the pencils of the likes of Doug Mahnke, Rocafort, Alisson Borges and Soy did more to it. I do like Lee`s take and gawd knows I like the white streak but I don`t necessarily see his face when I instantly picture Jason.
If I had to choose I`d say I picture the face he has in AK`s game model. Funny how different fans picture him differently.
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