Jason Todd: Robin, Arkham Knight, Red Hood Appreciation 2018

[RedBird]

So...

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Dick told Kory to burn the entire Asylum, therefore killing the guards and bad doctors who were after them and Rachel, but also everyone who was inside, including other patients. Everyone on that building died under Dick's order. Time was of the essence and they had been tortured, but Dick still caused the death of a lot of people.

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Either Dick changes his tactics after becoming Nightwing, enforcing a zero tolerance for killing, or, my biggest fear, they'll turn Jason into a murderous psychopath who enjoys killing both criminals, cops and any innocents that get in the way, in order to show that Nightwing isn't as bad as the Red Hood.

Yikes, yeah that's exactly what I fear as well. I know most people don't mind the whole 'f the police' attitude they have added onto Jason, and while contextually it makes sense he would feel resentful, that instance just showed that the creators are not above twisting his morals in order for Dick to seem 'not so bad' by comparison, Dick is the centerpiece of the show after all so everything else aligns with him, and throughout that episode its clear that Jason was meant to be a slight dark reflection of Dicks character to push him in the 'right direction'. Which if they continue this path, down the road, could lead to a super villain version of Red Hood, IF they get that far with Jasons character.

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I understand the show is darker and all with each character, especially Dick being more twisted and and fine with killing as the latest episode proved, and yeah, in a fair show of comparison Jasons actions from the episode prior don't seem as brutal now since he certainly didn't straight up murder anyone. However I mentioned way before that I can stomach morals being twisted so that the 'bad guys' get the short end of the stick, which is what happened right? Dick got the bad guys killed. Where as with Jason, he purposely targeted innocent people, just for the thrill, even in the context of his horrible experiences with police, the logic behind his actions seems illogical, why not target the police who were corrupt? What do these random officers from another city have anything to do with it?

end of spoilersThis is by far his most brutal as well as his most arrogant and injudicious portrayal. I like the cynicism, it works, as does the arrogance to a degree, like with his capabilities, (I guess I would be arrogant too if I managed to become as capable and skilled as my predecessor in only a year, anyone else notice that factor? It's impressive ) and I am glad his distrust of authority is intact too but they seem to be pushing it to new immoral territories, making his behavior out to be irresponsible, imprudent and power hungry.

Now, with all that said, if this was a character flaw that the show was to address and give development on, I would TOTALLY be for that, I would love to see this factor of his character critically analysed in episodes, I'm all for characters struggling internally with their experiences to make the right moral decisions. But since we are pretty sure of Jasons future here as an even darker character, and that these elements are most likely just 'foreshadowing' his dark nature and the road downhill as opposed to presenting a flaw that will be addressed and fleshed out as the show proceeds, its why I'm kinda against it.

I won't dwell on it any longer though, it is what it is, and I would rather get to watch the show and enjoy it for myself. In fact I almost feel kinda bad for harping on this at all, since honestly the rest of the show seems great, anything else I have seen from Jasons portrayal seems golden, genuinely charming in a devil may care way, with a bit of sardonic humor on top, plus I'm loving Currans enthusiasm. But yeah, it's just what these additions to the characters represent that's got me dissatisfied. As Dicks moral compass slides, I fear Jasons will slide further to align. Hopefully as you mentioned the show will push Dick to enforce his no kill policy down the track so that his and everyone elses morals can be realigned properly and hopefully IF/till that happens, Jason might get to be in more episodes, and maybe even last a season or 2? I'm still excited to see his Robin regardless.

How is that poll going btw, I'm not in America so I can't tell.

[KC93]

How is that poll going btw, I'm not in America so I can't tell.

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Here's how it is at the moment.

[RedBird]

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Here's how it is at the moment.

Oh sweet, thanks for that

Also wow, I guess the public is more in Jasons favor, and this is in addition to the people voting for death who DO like his character and just want to see him as Red Hood. Not that I think this poll will influence anything in reality or speed up any sort of process in the Titans narrative, but it's interesting to see the reactions and votes regardless.

If you don't mind me asking, when does this vote end? Has it ended already? Or is there no date given so far?

[KC93]

If you don't mind me asking, when does this vote end? Has it ended already? Or is there no date given so far?

I'm not sure when it ends. It doesn't give any date.

[Zaresh]

Yikes, yeah that's exactly what I fear as well. I know most people don't mind the whole 'f the police' attitude they have added onto Jason, and while contextually it makes sense he would feel resentful, that instance just showed that the creators are not above twisting his morals in order for Dick to seem 'not so bad' by comparison, Dick is the centerpiece of the show after all so everything else aligns with him, and throughout that episode its clear that Jason was meant to be a slight dark reflection of Dicks character to push him in the 'right direction'. Which if they continue this path, down the road, could lead to a super villain version of Red Hood, IF they get that far with Jasons character.

I understand the show is darker and all with each character, especially Dick being more twisted and and fine with killing as the latest episode proved, and yeah, in a fair show of comparison Jasons actions from the episode prior don't seem as brutal now since he certainly didn't straight up murder anyone. However I mentioned way before that I can stomach morals being twisted so that the 'bad guys' get the short end of the stick, which is what happened right? Dick got the bad guys killed. Where as with Jason, he purposely targeted innocent people, just for the thrill, even in the context of his horrible experiences with police, the logic behind his actions seems illogical, why not target the police who were corrupt? What do these random officers from another city have anything to do with it? This is by far his most brutal as well as his most arrogant and injudicious portrayal. I like the cynicism, it works, as does the arrogance to a degree, like with his capabilities, (I guess I would be arrogant too if I managed to become as capable and skilled as my predecessor in only a year, anyone else notice that factor? It's impressive ) and I am glad his distrust of authority is intact too but they seem to be pushing it to new immoral territories, making his behavior out to be irresponsible, imprudent and power hungry.

Now, with all that said, if this was a character flaw that the show was to address and give development on, I would TOTALLY be for that, I would love to see this factor of his character critically analysed in episodes, I'm all for characters struggling internally with their experiences to make the right moral decisions. But since we are pretty sure of Jasons future here as an even darker character, and that these elements are most likely just 'foreshadowing' his dark nature and the road downhill as opposed to presenting a flaw that will be addressed and fleshed out as the show proceeds, its why I'm kinda against it.

I won't dwell on it any longer though, it is what it is, and I would rather get to watch the show and enjoy it for myself. In fact I almost feel kinda bad for harping on this at all, since honestly the rest of the show seems great, anything else I have seen from Jasons portrayal seems golden, genuinely charming in a devil may care way, with a bit of sardonic humor on top, plus I'm loving Currans enthusiasm. But yeah, it's just what these additions to the characters represent that's got me dissatisfied. As Dicks moral compass slides, I fear Jasons will slide further to align. Hopefully as you mentioned the show will push Dick to enforce his no kill policy down the track so that his and everyone elses morals can be realigned properly and hopefully IF/till that happens, Jason might get to be in more episodes, and maybe even last a season or 2? I'm still excited to see his Robin regardless.

How is that poll going btw, I'm not in America so I can't tell.

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Keep in mind that Dick didn't "get" they killed by chance or by omision. He had already beat a dozen of security guard to a messy cold pulp, knew there where more people inside (the scientist at least) and afterwards, asked, without an actual question, a bit roundabout, but asked in any case, Kori to blow up with fire and gass the whole building in the same place the beaten guys where lying on the ground. It was awfully cold.

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In the end, we can only watch. Last episode supposedly has some Jason too, and Dick has yet to met Clark, I think? Or remember him or something, for his new heroic name and persona. I'm guessing we will have a better gist of what we can expect of their (Dick and Jason's) relative stands by the season finale.

[RedBird]

spoilers:

Keep in mind that Dick didn't "get" they killed by chance or by omision. He had already beat a dozen of security guard to a messy cold pulp, knew there where more people inside (the scientist at least) and afterwards, asked, without an actual question, a bit roundabout, but asked in any case, Kori to blow up with fire and gass the whole building in the same place the beaten guys where lying on the ground. It was awfully cold.

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I know, it was straight up murder, and I'm not saying I'm necessarily totally okay with that change in Dicks moral either, just that it's easier for me to stomach a good guy killing bad guys, as opposed to a good guy even just hurting innocents. THAT change in Jasons moral, extending from hurting or killing 'bad guys' to hurting innocent people whether it contextually makes sense or not rubs me the wrong way.

end of spoilers And as I said since the show is hinting at Jasons dark nature, I'm unsure if we'll see any this issue be explored with any nuance or internal conflict within the character or whether it's just presented as a 'warning sign' to the audience that Jasons just a bad apple.

[RedBird]

@AzoriaWolf



@ValeriaFavoccia



Branch56



Jason Todd: Chief Business Officer

He looks like he owns a Casino in that last one XD

[Arsenal]

Last one reminds me of Charlie Cox’s Daredevil

[Jackalope89]

Jason, why do you let yourself get talked into these sorts of things? Though, its slightly less awkward than Power Girl's outfit at least.

[RedBird]

Last one reminds me of Charlie Cox’s Daredevil

Funny that, someone in the posts comments mentioned that he looked like the lovechild of Matt (Cox) and Tony Stark XD

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

So in Batman Beyond we got the return of the infamous Crowbar.

[Zaresh]

So in Batman Beyond we got the return of the infamous Crowbar.

At this point, Joker's Crowbar should have his own wikipedia's page.

[Zaresh]

Funny that, someone in the posts comments mentioned that he looked like the lovechild of Matt (Cox) and Tony Stark XD

He certainly looks smooth ^{(and hot)} enough.

[G-Potion]

@AzoriaWolf

@ValeriaFavoccia

Branch56

Vastly different styles but all of them are so pretty.

[G-Potion]

Jason, why do you let yourself get talked into these sorts of things? Though, its slightly less awkward than Power Girl's outfit at least.

What can he do. The ladies he associates with are just too powerful to say no to. :P