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Oh my goodness gracious! I've been bamboozled!
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Esxcept that Tomasi botched the execution something fierce. All of Jason's talk rings hoolow when his only actions are focused in further his veendetta against Bruce, with little to what happens to everyone else. And no, Jason didn't had to modify his moral code. something consistent with him is that he always had clear what was wrong and what was good, the differecne with Bruce is that he's willing to compromise anything to ensure innocent people is safe.
Jason should stay kind of an outsider imo. In most of the Batfamily cross overs he is to much in line with the rest of the family.
He is the guy who should sometimes question Bruce methods, and from time to use or at least suggest stuff the others wouldn't, but at the moment Damian is the only one who does something like that.
I have in general the not the feeling that any of the writers in the last Batfamily events really made good use of Jason, or that they really have a concept what his place/niche/role in the Batfamily is (apart from beeing the one who drinks beer).
Cass did this head/hand/heart-thing with Tim, Jason and Dick I thought, had finally some kind of concept, but after this he was mostly used as comic relief/side kick for Tim and apart from being the guinea pig for this brain washing methods didn't provided anything to the plot.
@pre rebirth Jason
I would actually like to see something like Red Hood: the lost Days or RHatO: Futures End. That doesn't mean I want him running around a kill criminals. But some more serious, were Jason really has to come up with some good strategy to take down the Bad Guys, and with better and more Bad Ass fight and action scenes (which were quite rare in RHatO and RH/A ).
Apart from this I would like to see his relation with Dick better defined (Grayson #12 for example felt extreme ooc for me) and would like to see him hang out with Damian (and Maps).
Lobdell's run probably should have ended with RHatO. RH/A doesn't sell particularly well, it isn't reviewed particularly well (if its reviewed at all), and more times not when it is talked about its talked about to mock DC with. Theres nothing there that says its something they should maybe keep going. There are plenty of books that i don't munch enjoy, but still understand that other people do and that overall their general reception is positive despite it not being for me. Thats not really the case here though. I think its safe to say its general reception has been rather poor. So i think to say that Jason needs a new direction and a new voice is an understatement. And frankly if they wanted to give Jason and Roy the Starfire treatment and ignore pretty much everything Lobdell did, u wouldn't hear any complaining from me.
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If by that you mean a complete 180 so far as characterization goes then no thank you. I can't stand Roy in Titan's Hunt, Barbara in Batgirl or Starfire in her own solo and it's not because I don't like light, upbeat books or because I hate change. It's because they went to the extreme opposite end of the pole to me. If they took Jason the same direction then chances are very high, based on the aformentioned characters, that I wouldn't like the direction. It would likely just be a return of villain Jason which is a toxic direction to me these days because of how mishandled it was in the pre-flashpoint days.
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Oh my goodness gracious! I've been bamboozled!
When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change. AVATAR AANG
The book doesn't recieve a lot of reviews simply because DC has never bothered to give it proper promotion. The only site that continues "reviewing" it is Batman News and they have a marked bias against Lobdell making their reviews useless. During Robin War the book got mostly positive reviews http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-bo...ood--arsenal/7
The book itself is pretty well received both here and Reddit with the most harshest critcism being found on 4chan and ComicVine and those criticism are usually by the same persons so yeah.
I wasn't a fan of what Lobdell did with Starfire, but pairing up Jason and Roy was brilliant in my book. They actually feel like good friends and make sense together. Far more than Roy did with characters like Dick. So I do think that is a relationship that should continue through whatever Rebirth is going to be because both characters are better with it.
I agree with you on just about all your points. I hate when they show Jason as as the Robin that just punches hard. Winnick wrote him perfectly imo. Under the Red Hood had him 10 steps ahead of everyone and they should use that more. Also he is a great detective. He learned from the best. Show that more.
"We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark
LoL, well RHatO is continuing though Rebirth. I really don't get it, and i think its unfortunate for Jason who IMO needs something new exciting, but good for u guys that like it i guess.
Last edited by Godlike13; 02-18-2016 at 04:58 PM.
Supporting LION FORGE COMICS and other independent publishers.
Check out Lion Forge's Catalyst Prime Universe. Its the best damned superhero verse in comics. Diverse characters and interesting stories set in a universe where anyone can be a hero. And company that prides itself on representation both in the comics themselves and in the people behind them.
Oh my goodness gracious! I've been bamboozled!
When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change. AVATAR AANG
So I guess this is it for Roy and Jason's friendship