Jason Todd: Robin, Arkham Knight, Red Hood Appreciation 2018

[Daredevil is Legend]

I still want my Helena Bertinelli/Jason Todd team up. I really hope I get it one day

[Punisher007]

Wait, have the EVER had a team-up together? Given their personalities/backgrounds, it seems like such an obvious thing to do.

[Daredevil is Legend]

Wait, have the EVER had a team-up together? Given their personalities/backgrounds, it seems like such an obvious thing to do.

No they haven't and it's a damn shame

[EdwardNigma]

But the other villains aren't former Robins. They don't have the kind of intense personal background with Batman that a villainous Jason (or any Jason) would have, and therefore the constant struggle has a very different feel. If you will, for most of them, it's professional and not personal, which allows for different story arcs and different outcomes. The only exceptions to that, recently, are the Joker and Talia. Talia they killed off. As for Joker, whole reams have been written about the problems they have with that character and what a corner they have backed themselves into, in large part because of the very personal, and thus exceptionally vicious, nature of the confrontation. A large part of the dialogue in the climax of DotF consisted of Snyder trying to find ways out of the corner and not succeeding very well. The dynamic you are describing for Jason, to force Batman to concede or one of them has to die, is Joker's dynamic, isn't it? And we, and DC, definitely don't need another Joker and all the narrative problems that come with a character whose only logical end is a death that can never be reached.

You are right and this is a very good point. I get it would be hard to write Jason this way but it would be rewarding with the right writers. I believe it could be done well but that is the real hurdle.

[JasonTodd428]

I still want my Helena Bertinelli/Jason Todd team up. I really hope I get it one day

That would be one interesting team up. I wonder why that never happened before the reboot. Seems like it would have been perfect.

You are right and this is a very good point. I get it would be hard to write Jason this way but it would be rewarding with the right writers. I believe it could be done well but that is the real hurdle.

If the right writer could handle this then sure it might be an interesting tale for an arc but I don't happen to think it's a good idea for a permanent direction for the same reasons as Dzetoun. I also don't believe that DC has a writer that could do such a story justice without managing to also write Jason into a corner. Jason has already spent a lot of years stuck in endless repetitive cycle because of his hatred for all things Bat. I don't think this type of story would have helped matters back then (not that they didn't try that too) and I don't think it would do anything for him now.

[Tony Stark]

I still want my Helena Bertinelli/Jason Todd team up. I really hope I get it one day

Me and my brother have talked about this for years. Would really love to see it.

[Kurisu]

I'm totes down for a Jalena team up as well! She didn't seem to think too highly of him prior to the reboot though...



But that's what the New 52 is for, amirite?

[beetlebum]

I'm totes down for a Jalena team up as well! She didn't seem to think too highly of him prior to the reboot though...



But that's what the New 52 is for, amirite?

To be fair, Chris Yost (who wrote this issue) didn't seem to understand Helena very well. That's evident by how he misinterpreted her relationship with both Barbara and Dick (as they'd long moved past the stage where they lectured her for using 'lethal' violence) and how he portrayed Helena as someone who would try to kill someone before finding an alternate solution. That regressed her from all the progress she had made while being written by both Gail Simone and Greg Rucka.

Anyways, long story short, I think Helena is the last person who should be judging Jason like this, especially given how she was treated like the black sheep of Gotham for quite some time.

And I'd like a team-up between her and Jason as well.

[beetlebum]

Is because Jason would look, very, very sexy in the brand new uniform Helena would (force) give him to wear:



He would just be too fabulous for words.

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[Dark_Tzitzimine]

I don't think that would be a good team up, Jason hanging around damaged and 'toxic' people isn't really new and again, the story would've relied on the both of them being Batman's rejections or failures.

In the N52 however, would be interesting to see Jason interact with his transimensional 'step-sister' though.

[Zainu]

Is because Jason would look, very, very sexy in the brand new uniform Helena would (force) give him to wear:



He would just be too fabulous for words.

[source]

Aww yes. Ab window. And on DC's finest bad boy.

On a related note, I think that this is what they should have given Power-boy. Cos' abs are like the male equivalent of a rack. Nice to look at AND feel. But instead DC gave us a random hairy chest window. Eww//

[JasonTodd428]

In the N52 however, would be interesting to see Jason interact with his transimensional 'step-sister' though.

That would have been fun to see. I liked seeing her and Damian interacting myself so I would have liked to see her interact with the others as well.

[oasis1313]

Jason hasn't seemed badass enough lately; I hope they're not watering him down into a "good boy".

[Daredevil is Legend]

Well she's back now so my dream is alive and well!!!! Jalena lives!!!

[oasis1313]

They're welcome to give Helena to Jason Todd and take her off Dick Grayson's neck.