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    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    Here's a bigger version.

    A bit too busy, but clever logo indeed. And expressive, too. Just... a bit too busy, because background is too much highlighted.

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    It`s Loedbell. The chances of Jason going psycho are close to null. He`s raging and within good reason as far as the character may be concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBird View Post
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    Only way to fix this :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    Shouldn’t the fact that the people upstairs are not only talking about Jason, but are interested in testing the water for a solo Red Hood run be a good sign? Maybe I’m just being optimistic here but I have to assume that means they see potential in the character and have faith in Lobdell to make it work. I just don’t see DC making Jason go psycho again because that’s not the version that’s made him more popular than he’s been in a long time (maybe ever?)
    It should be a good sign but it can also be a bit of a double-edged sword particularly if one is talking about a character that no writer (or editor for that matter), except Lobdell, has had a very good handle on in the first place because they REFUSE to even do the necessary research. Those are the guys I'm really talking about particularly if someone new comes onto the book at some point, well them and Didio and his crew who I have never trusted from the get go. On the other hand you could be exactly right about all of this and I could be over-reacting. That doesn't however prevent me from feeling apprehensive though. So long as Didio is in charge of things I'm always apprehensive on some level or other. Do I trust that Lobdell has a long-term plan for this direction? Yes. Do I trust him to write this direction with far more nuance than any other writer? Again yes. But do I trust the people above him to just let him do his job with minimal interference? Not on your life.

    I just think that once the arc is over, there’s a greater chance that Jason will end up even further away from his pre-flash point characterization than closer to it.
    I really hope this turns out to be the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Potion View Post
    I think Lobdell is within acceptable bounds, often very frank about what he thinks. And with this interview, I can't help but be excited about what's in store, because he clearly is. As for the tibit on where this direction came from, I like to think of it as less a mandate but more like an opportunity. As he said, RHATO is a favorite in the office (surprised!), possibly enough that higher-ups might have become more invested in the potential Red Hood could have, rather than just let his book be kind of there. Coupled with what Lobdell himself said about Jason masking a lot of his issues in the presence of his friends; and that after seven years of RHATO, solo-Jason should be an interesting thing to examine. Meaning in order to further explore the character, this direction must happen eventually. If Lobdell says he cried writing #27, I absolutely can't wait to see it.
    Regarding the bolded maybe it is more akin to an opportunity and perhaps the high-ups have taken more of an interest in Jason's potential but at the end of the day it still was an idea discussed by those higher-ups so there is a bit of a mandate aspect to the direction I still feel. Whether that's going to turn out to be good or bad remains to be seen though. For myself I tend to err on the side of caution and to not get my hopes up to much. I've gotten burned on to many times in the past with direction changes that amounted to nothing or didn't stick or had no lasting effect on the character or were merely just stepping stones to something worse.

    As for the rest of you post, I do hope that Lobdell does plan to explore those issues and that he actually will have Jason dealing with them in the course of this direction. I think it would be interesting for Jason to finally delve into those issues a bit more than he does and maybe start to get some closure on things. He seriously needs to stop masking his issue among his friends. Like Starfire once told him: Jason needs to release the rage inside of himself before it consumes him.And also based on what Lobdell has said I am very anxious to see what #27 brings. Sounds like its gonna be another kick in the feels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Tzitzimine View Post
    As long isn't some idiotic change brought by the desire of "shock" the readers, destroying the character in the process.
    My thoughts exactly. I'm only okay with the direction at all because Lobdell is still on the book. If it was anyone else they wouldn't even be getting my money on it unless I heard from fans that it was very, very good and handled Jason in this mode with some nuance. I really hope this move isn't for the shock value of it (or that it doesn't end up being for that at some later date either) and this was done because there is actual potential in this direction both from the publishing standpoint and the character standpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresh View Post
    A bit too busy, but clever logo indeed. And expressive, too. Just... a bit too busy, because background is too much highlighted.
    Yeah that cover is just a bit too busy. It's very expressive and sums up what this direction is going be about but its still really, really busy. On the other hand at least my eyes don't automatically go to that damned crowbar with all the other things happening on the cover so I guess that's a win.
    I do like the way that things are crossed out on the title name and so forth though.
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    Oh my goodness gracious! I've been bamboozled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBird View Post
    EDIT: Wait I just noticed even the bat symbol on the left is crossed off. HAHA
    Maybe DC will swap the bat symbol with the new Red Hood logo. That would be interesting and could mean that Jason won't reconcile with Batman in the near future.

    There seems to be something behind the bat symbol. Looks like a dog's head. What's up with that?

    And I'm surprised that the colors of the cover background were changed. I prefer the original version because there was a bigger contrast between background and Jason. This one is so... colorful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergard View Post
    There seems to be something behind the bat symbol. Looks like a dog's head. What's up with that?
    That's Scooby Doo from SD! Apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergard View Post
    And I'm surprised that the colors of the cover background were changed. I prefer the original version because there was a bigger contrast between background and Jason. This one is so... colorful.
    I couldn't quite put a finger on why I was feeling the cover was too busy but I think you've pinpointed it for me. I agree with you about liking the original version more. This just seems over saturated to me to be honest and I liked the contrast of the previous one better.
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    Oh my goodness gracious! I've been bamboozled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    It`s Loedbell. The chances of Jason going psycho are close to null. He`s raging and within good reason as far as the character may be concerned.
    And against those that deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Tzitzimine View Post
    That's Scooby Doo from SD! Apocalypse.
    Is this some kind of "hidden" promotion? Is there some special event coming up in the Scooby Apocalypse comic? I'm a little bit confused why Scooby is on the RHatO cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    It`s Loedbell. The chances of Jason going psycho are close to null. He`s raging and within good reason as far as the character may be concerned.
    It's not Lobdell that worries me though, its the other writers and editors and Didio. Lobdell will certainly do just fine with this direction if he's left alone to do what he wants to do with the story but that doesn't mean there won't be pressure from higher-ups to do things with it he doesn't necessarily want to. Look at the situation with Artemis being a love interest for Jason. That was something during the Rebirth book that editors where pushing that Lobdell pushed back on but there could be some larger mandate dealing with the bigger picture that he won't be allowed to avoid. (Like Seeley wasn't able to avoid using Bludhaven for example) All I'm saying is that now that Jason is back to being, at least on the surface, the violent type of character he was Pre-FP that writers and editors might be more familiar and comfortable with I've lowered my expectations even more when it comes to other writers potential use of him in their books.
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    Pre-flashpoint Jason didn't have a book and was used as a secondary character to props up other characters which end up being badly received. This isn't case now and hopefully never will be again.

    I'm all for not getting expectations too high because this always result in disappointment, but being too negative isn't good either. The new arc will start in two weeks, let's wait and see how it goes instead of worrying unnecessarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBird View Post
    Okay, so they ended up doing exactly what I suggested they would.
    Messily and obviously just cross out the title to make it new. :P


    Sorry for the small image size.

    EDIT: Wait I just noticed even the bat symbol on the left is crossed off. HAHA
    Why is the one on the left crossed off but not the giant one in the Os?
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    Why is the one on the left crossed off but not the giant one in the Os?
    I'm assuming since for all intents and purposes the 'scratched out bat' and solo thing is temporary. It's easier to make a wink and nudge statement by just crossing out the bat symbol on the cover, rather than say, redesigning an official graphic logo that may be changed back eventually anyway.

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