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    Default Where do we go from here with the Wally West of the new 52 ?

    I gave up on the Flash of the new 52. Especially after they made Wally West, the man that surpassed his mentor and became his own hero and had his own family, BLACK FOR THE SAKE OF DIVERSITY.

    As an African American myself, I find this a bit insulting in a way. I mean DC could've made a brand new character instead of taking an established character and changing his race and skin tone for profit.

    However, I'm not going to go further into a fit over a fictional character. D has made their bed and are going to try to sleep in it over this situation.

    I am here to ask you all where do we go from here with the new BLACK Wally West ?

    I mean does anyone expect him to join the Teen Titans, since they're down a speedster ?

    Or make occasional Appearances in other DC New 52 titles Post Convergence ?

    Honestly, where do we go from here with the new BLACK Wally West ?

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    I think new 52 Wally West should get a new codename like : Lightning, Thunderbolt, etc. New 52 Wally West can be in a Titans team.

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    I'm still in fit mode and hoping DC corrects this and other mistakes in the New 52. Wally is one big reason why the DCnU is inferior to the pre-FP DCU IMHO.

    To correct all this, DC can feel free to simply retcon, use Reverse-Flash, use Convergence, use the multiverse, etc...whatever it takes basically.
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    I'm black and i honestly feel they should rectconn it and intro black wally as a new character/ speedster i mean it's not like they are using anyone else in the flash family and even batman got a awesome black robin. They should just stick to wally's character trait heck make new 52 wally more like the one in young justice too. The angry teen vibe ain't for him to be honest.

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    i'd say at the least, that if they were going to do it because the CW wests were black; they should probably have waited till the show got to wally; then shamelessly hop on the bandwagon

    or; you know, have held off on racebending until the next reboot after the CW-verse (i add this later part because, be it in a year or a decade; someone whose just a reader now is going to draw on the other media when its their turn to remake everything in their vision, and their vision alone; vs the guys who are still primarily comics fans)

    or, you know, not do it.
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    I say let him live his life like the pre-New 52 Wally. Have him get married and start a family. Let him eventually become the Flash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBatmanFan05 View Post
    I'm still in fit mode and hoping DC corrects this and other mistakes in the New 52. Wally is one big reason why the DCnU is inferior to the pre-FP DCU IMHO.

    To correct all this, DC can feel free to simply retcon, use Reverse-Flash, use Convergence, use the multiverse, etc...whatever it takes basically.
    just make the black Wally, a new character and come with the classic wally west from it. Instead of one character that has nothing to do with original wally, we will have the old wally and a new poc character

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    I'm not a fan of the new Wally. A lot of people here will say you're racist or whatever for disagreeing with DC making Wally a different race just for the heck of it. I don't think that's it at all.

    Wally was an established character pre-new 52. Not only that but he was a MAJOR character for decades. You can't take a well known and liked character who has been around for so long and alter him so severely as to be nothing at all resembling in any way from the character everyone already knows, and expect it to be successful.

    I have no problem with minority characters. But make NEW characters. The new Wally West has nothing in common with the old Wally. It's like a brand new character. So....why not have given him a completely new name? You could even have him obtain speed force powers and become the new Kid Flash and that'd be fine.

    The objection is in the name. This new kid should not be Wally.

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    1) What has this character done since his appearance in the New 52?

    2) Do they call him Kid Flash or does he have another name?
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    At this point who cares? We had Wally for years and years why do we have to obsess over what came "first". We should just accept the new Wally and enjoy the old Wally I mean if Barry's the Flash and Bart is KF who cares at this point?

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    To simplify the characters, I prefer to do a retcon or reboot so all the West family are african americans : Iris West, Daniel West, Wally West, etc. The descendants of Barry and Iris will include Bart and XS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_crisp View Post
    1) What has this character done since his appearance in the New 52?

    2) Do they call him Kid Flash or does he have another name?
    New 52 Wally has only appeared in future timelines and has not been important to the Flash series at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_crisp View Post
    1) What has this character done since his appearance in the New 52?

    2) Do they call him Kid Flash or does he have another name?
    Of the actions that actually had some sort of impact to the story he has spray painted walls and Barry (how they met), died (made Barry sad), aided and abided in an attempted robbery (showed Barry that his half-ass attempts to set him straight have failed, he got sad that he is failing at play daddy), and died again (made sure that two Barry's lived and was never mentioned again). So he is a pretty useless character unless it is as a plot device to make Barry sad or have him not die (by dying instead).
    When a future version of him showed up he had no name after all would they have a name for him since he died a few panels later, and then never existed. The present version (that no longer seems to matter to the story at all) has no powers, no emotional connection to Iris or Barry beyond her being his legal guardian and Barry playing daddy, little to no relevance to any of the plots, nobody that we could call his friend.
    To you previous post: how do expect New52 Wally to live like Pre-52 Wally did with them having nothing in common that matters to the characterization to recreate that life or at least one that is similar, and it took 50 years for him to have that life I doubt DC will continue to act like they care about him before dumping him in limbo and have the other characters act like he never existed, for that long. Also how can he become the Flash since DC wants Barry to be the only Flash that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandnewfan View Post
    I'm not a fan of the new Wally. A lot of people here will say you're racist or whatever for disagreeing with DC making Wally a different race just for the heck of it. I don't think that's it at all.
    I don't think it's racist to want the old Wally back. It's when people start using coded language ("pandering" being the most popular) that the accusation starts coming out.

    For what it's worth, I want the old Wally back. I also hate what's been done to Bart Allen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmbmool View Post
    I gave up on the Flash of the new 52. Especially after they made Wally West, the man that surpassed his mentor and became his own hero and had his own family, BLACK FOR THE SAKE OF DIVERSITY.

    As an African American myself, I find this a bit insulting in a way. I mean DC could've made a brand new character instead of taking an established character and changing his race and skin tone for profit.

    However, I'm not going to go further into a fit over a fictional character. D has made their bed and are going to try to sleep in it over this situation.

    I am here to ask you all where do we go from here with the new BLACK Wally West ?

    I mean does anyone expect him to join the Teen Titans, since they're down a speedster ?

    Or make occasional Appearances in other DC New 52 titles Post Convergence ?

    Honestly, where do we go from here with the new BLACK Wally West ?
    My take on it: do what they've done with Carrie Kelley over in the Batman titles. The last we saw of her, Alfred had given her a job at Wayne Manor; that was during their "five stages of grief" story arc, and she hasn't been seen or mentioned since. It's as if she never existed in the first place.

    The other thing I'd do would be to have Jenni Ognats appear in the pages of Flash. And not a New 52 reinvention of her, either; she would be the same XS who made her debut in the late-90s Legion of Superheroes and was last seen in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds. She'd be there in part to scratch DC's diversity mandate, but primarily to push the Flash into having a more cosmic — indeed, Multiversal — scope.

    Which wouldn't have been possible pre-Convergence, but may be very doable post-Convergence.
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