Originally Posted by
DochaDocha
I'm sure there are a lot of people who like a bit of irony in their movies, e.g. the mere mortal beats the god-like being, but I think sometimes it's just painful overkill. Sometimes, you just have to go with the obvious outcome. Of course I'm biased, but I feel like if you get too cutesy with the irony, it just becomes mind-numbingly awful.
Anyway, this thread has unintentionally indicated why Superman fans often point out that Superman really has so little to gain, and so much to lose, if he fights Batman. Again, if Batman loses, you can always say of course he would lose, because he's fighting a god-like being. We haven't covered every single possibility, but I think in almost every scenario you can come up with, Superman is going to look bad if they engage in a real fight, which is why a lot of us Superman fans want either no fight at all, or something that amounts to much less than a true knockdown, drag-out fight. Earlier, I praised the fight Loeb and Lee depicted in "Hush," but it did have a big problem: Superman was mind-controlled, and he fought as a pawn for a villain. Short of these kind of mind-control stories, Superman is going to gravitate toward looking like a bully, or looking incompetent. If you want to make a movie that's being marketed as a big fight between Superman and Batman (gosh, it's in the title!), and you want both heroes to come out looking like the heroes we know them to be, you have to traverse a minefield of bad creative decisions. It's doable, but it's hard, and most of the time (if not all of the time) you have to pay a toll to get there.
I believe Snyder and company can do it, but it's a tall task, and if they accomplish something that makes most of us reasonably happy, I'll be highly impressed. However, if a lot of us end up feeling dissatisfied, my response will be one of little shock.