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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Yeah, in any case, it'll be one of the reasons why Batman will be against Superman.
    Exactly.

    The plot of this film will have a lot of misdirection.

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    Maybe Starro attacks and Bam! The League!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    Wow I didn't even realize that Snyder is doing a reverse DKR! The media all taking about Supes, Batman supposedly teams with Lex to take down the dangerous renegade the way Superman was Reagan's puppet, and rumors are that Superman will throw the fight with Bats to get everyone off his back kinda like how Bruce had a self induced heart attack at the end of the DKR fight.

    I would be absolutely thrilled if Superman came off as the sympathetic figure and Batman was shown as the bully for once!
    Superman already gave himself in Man of Steel to the US Government. That would be completely in character for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneNecromancer View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.


    They've said since Day 1 their idea of realism is "how would real people in the world of today react to someone like Superman actually appearing" not "what would a real Superman be like".
    Jonathan Kent will suggest to Clark that it might better to let a busload of innocent kids die than risk revealing himself by saving them?

    Pfft. Don't be ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    Exactly.

    The plot of this film will have a lot of misdirection.
    It reminds me of the main theme of Nolan's TDK: chaos.
    At the beginning, mankind will fall into fanaticism instead of follow Superman's inspiration.
    I expect Clark to says something like this (from 00:09 to 00:20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2aRIg0i2qI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    Why does it have to be any of those options?
    I didn't say it had to be those four outcomes. I just said those were the ones that I saw. Maybe my imagination isn't working so good today. I expect other people are more clever than I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    Jonathan Kent will suggest to Clark that it might better to let a busload of innocent kids die than risk revealing himself by saving them?

    Pfft. Don't be ridiculous.
    He said "Maybe." A word that, by definition, suggests a lack of certainty. The mere tone of his voice makes it clear he didn't really believe what he was saying.

    Yes, in the real world, a human being might very well have a moment of doubt where he might think of his own son's safety, rather than the safety of a bunch of other kids. Thanks for making LoneNecromancer's point for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I see four possible outcomes--although this might just carry over into other movies and not be resolved in this one: 1) The Justice League takes Superman's side against Batman--but that would leave Batman out of the League. 2) The Justice League takes Batman's side against Superman--but that would leave Superman out of the League. 3) The Justice League becomes a peace keeping force that keeps both Batman and Superman at heel. 4) The Justice League makes Superman and Batman see that their similarities are greater than their differences and everyone ends up hugging and kissing.
    None of those options can happen because the League isn't formed in this movie. Wonder Woman plays a short, but important role, but the other League members are going to be cameos or absent entirely. The team won't form until the JL films proper.

    If Diana resolves the conflict though, that would be amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    He said "Maybe." A word that, by definition, suggests a lack of certainty. The mere tone of his voice makes it clear he didn't really believe what he was saying.

    Yes, in the real world, a human being might very well have a moment of doubt where he might think of his own son's safety, rather than the safety of a bunch of other kids. Thanks for making LoneNecromancer's point for him.
    First, if you read my post you would have seen the word "might".

    Second, if I made his point then his must have been the same as mine - that a human being with the power of a god is going to be tempted to use it.

    And if you are not writing Superman as a human being, you are basically writing him as a cardboard cut-out.

    What we may well see is a more violent version of Batman's rebutall of Superman and Wonder Woman's invasion of Khuraq from the Trinity War. Well intentioned by hamfisted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    First, if you read my post you would have seen the word "might".

    Second, I made his point then his must have made mine - that a human being with the power of a god is going to be tempted to use it.

    And if you are not writing Superman as a human being, you are basically writing him as a cardboard cut-out.
    A human being would also kill one man in order to stop him from killing billions of others. Just sayin'.

    And, yes. Superman would be tempted to use his powers. That doesn't immediately translate to him becoming a monster. It also in no way proves your statement that Superman is the bad guy in this movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    A human being would also kill one man in order to stop him from killing billions of others. Just sayin'.

    And, yes. Superman would be tempted to use his powers. That doesn't immediately translate to him becoming a monster. It also in no way proves your statement that Superman is the bad guy in this movie.
    I didn't say he was. I said he in the trailer he is the antagonist to Batman's protagonist.

    The thread is about the trailer, and its implications for the the movie and also perceptions of the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    I didn't say he was. I said he in the trailer he is the antagonist to Batman's protagonist.

    The thread is about the trailer, and its implications for the the movie and also perceptions of the movie.
    There is nothing to support he's the antagonist. The world is viewing him antagonistically. So is Batman.

    Typically, the hero being singled out by everyone else in the story is the protagonist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    There is nothing to support he's the antagonist. The world is viewing him antagonistically. So is Batman.

    Typically, the hero being singled out by everyone else in the story is the protagonist.
    The title pretty much spells it out, which is why they use it in the legal sense. Batman is bringing a case or complaint against Superman. Batman is the complainant/plaintiff. Superman is the defendant.

    I don't know why this is a debate; the result is a forgone conclusion. We know this will end with the foundation of the Justice League, which means Superman will prove to Batman that he is in the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeP View Post
    "Thats how it starts
    The fever, the rage
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    that turns good men... cruel"

    Thats definitely Jeremy Irons. The trailer makes it seem like he's speaking of Batman, but I'm positive in context, he's talking about Luthor.
    I think that's Alfred admonishing Bruce about persuing Superman, likely using Luthor or other extreme anti-Superman sides as an example.

    I think it would be neat if the second trailer is mirrored to Supes' POV. Open with a descending pan through Gotham City set to various pundits arguing about the activities of "the Batman," then a brief voiceover from Lois paraphrasing Alfred, then cut to Superman staring down at armored Batman, end on a one liner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImprobableQuestion View Post
    I think that's Alfred admonishing Bruce about persuing Superman, likely using Luthor or other extreme anti-Superman sides as an example.

    I think it would be neat if the second trailer is mirrored to Supes' POV. Open with a descending pan through Gotham City set to various pundits arguing about the activities of "the Batman," then a brief voiceover from Lois paraphrasing Alfred, then cut to Superman staring down at armored Batman, end on a one liner.
    You know, I think you are right. Alfred can see Bruce turning into Luthor, and that would really concern him.
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