Valiant Universe: Harbinger, Unity, Rai, A&A; current state & future prospects

[sifighter]

Bloodshot as a dad is something I never would have expected to happen, although I do look forward to see how his character progresses because of it. Not to mention I'm glad that Magic will stay around and become such an important character to the series.

Also, anyone else worried that we might see Baby Bloodshot? I mean they said that when she's older in the future arc she's got powers so do they develop when she's a baby or would it be like a mutant where they develop later. I also find it interesting that technically she is the first person who is naturally born as a Bloodshot instead of being experimented on.

[scribbleMind]

Love what I'm reading, both in terms of continuing to use Bloodshot in different genres and his evolution as a character. The one thing that really blew me away with X-O Manowar was how natural and perfectly placed his character progression was. Imo, he has one of the most well written character arcs in a long long time. Surprisingly, Bloodshot isn't so far off. I'm kind of glad PRS isn't playing too much of a role in Bloodshots life anymore. It just feels like a big step forward with the character, although I'm sure they'd be back at some point. As long as Harada is out there, PRS must exist on the other side, and I don't think they will ever truly leave their greatest anti-psiot weapon go (which reminds me, I always kind of wished/hoped their were other Bloodshot protocols outside of the Harada Protocol).

[TheFerg714]

Well I liked all of that except for the white supremacy/alt-right crap. This isn't some issue that needs to be tackled. Just because Trump won doesn't mean these guys are now some huge problem. I don't think it'll ruin the story by any means, but I'm super tired of leftist-inspired stories and media.

[kinggirlfriend]

I love it. I doesn't sound like it will take over the whole story, just the first arc, with the second and third arcs being fantasy and sci-fi driven. It helps to paint a picture of Magic's awful family. They could have easily just said white-trash, but it's all really the same thing. Comics have always been left leaning with their politics. Except for the whole vigilantism thing.

[TheFerg714]

I love it. I doesn't sound like it will take over the whole story, just the first arc, with the second and third arcs being fantasy and sci-fi driven. It helps to paint a picture of Magic's awful family. They could have easily just said white-trash, but it's all really the same thing. Comics have always been left leaning with their politics. Except for the whole vigilantism thing.

Yea I'm sure it's gonna be great, and I'm sure the "politics" won't take over the book in any major way. I just kinda wish that comics would stay away from it altogether.

[Captain Craig]

Well I liked all of that except for the white supremacy/alt-right crap. This isn't some issue that needs to be tackled. Just because Trump won doesn't mean these guys are now some huge problem. I don't think it'll ruin the story by any means, but I'm super tired of leftist-inspired stories and media.

I'm with you and Marvel has been the worst of late. I get that politics and especially left leaning liberal views have been sprinkled through the mediums history. Oliver Queen is a prime example. Spider-man tackling drinking on campus. Plenty of others, to TheFerg's point though the left is off the chain on wanting to identify marginal things that might be on a Trump peripheral and tackle them as if they are mainstream.

Trump won. The 50+million, was it 58? anyway, that voted for him aren't all radical white supremacists. I'd argue at best a super small minority even fall into that category. About like a minority of Democrats would honestly admit to being in favor of Communism cause it's the supreme form of Socialism. He won 3 states Obama did in '08 & '12, those voters didn't suddenly become sexists, racists white supremacists. What I feel TheFerg is saying, and correct me if I'm reading it wrong, is I'd like to just see a lot less politically motivated stories for some time.

[kinggirlfriend]

Oh sure, I get it. I'm a super SUPER crazy liberal. But I also agree that we've (liberals) lost focus of what's really important. It's only empowered conservatives who are fed up with being told how they should view and treat people. People and worlds that don't necessarily jive with their world. In a way liberals are just as guilty as not putting themselves in other peoples shoes just as conservatives are guilty of the same thing. I will only say this though, nothing liberals do takes rights away from others, or builds walls around others. Extending rights to one group doesn't take rights away from others. It's really an argument of having empathy for others versus "leave us alone to hate whoever I want." It's ok to have that point of view up until it affects someone else's rights. IMO, of course.

Anyways, sorry for bringing politics into our Valiant love fest.

CBR posted this article on an upcoming Renegades and Harbinger Wars 2: http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-rafer-r...binger-wars-2/

I'm excited for this!

[scribbleMind]

I wasn't excited. Even now, it's difficult to say I'm actually decided for the event itself because I'm actually excited for more H.A.R.D. Corps. I'd say I'm also excited for more Gen. Zero but they're a pretty delicate franchise write now that can still go in any direction. It's more like I'm holding my breath.

[new_onslaught]

I'm with you and Marvel has been the worst of late. I get that politics and especially left leaning liberal views have been sprinkled through the mediums history. Oliver Queen is a prime example. Spider-man tackling drinking on campus. Plenty of others, to TheFerg's point though the left is off the chain on wanting to identify marginal things that might be on a Trump peripheral and tackle them as if they are mainstream.

Trump won. The 50+million, was it 58? anyway, that voted for him aren't all radical white supremacists. I'd argue at best a super small minority even fall into that category. About like a minority of Democrats would honestly admit to being in favor of Communism cause it's the supreme form of Socialism. He won 3 states Obama did in '08 & '12, those voters didn't suddenly become sexists, racists white supremacists. What I feel TheFerg is saying, and correct me if I'm reading it wrong, is I'd like to just see a lot less politically motivated stories for some time.

Neither were all the Germans back in the '30s-'40s. However, no one stood up to the nazi minority when it was still a minority and the rest is history. These sickening ideologies need to be dealt with whenever and however possible, so I am more that fine with them coming up in comics, as long as they are handled properly.

[kinggirlfriend]

Neither were all the Germans back in the '30s-'40s. However, no one stood up to the nazi minority when it was still a minority and the rest is history. These sickening ideologies need to be dealt with whenever and however possible, so I am more that fine with them coming up in comics, as long as they are handled properly.

I agree 100%.

[Captain Craig]

The difference to Nazi Germany everyone seems to conveniently forget is that Hitler had a private army that would just kill you for standing up and speaking out against his Reich. So, ergo, no one stood up.
Get back to us when Trump or the GOP has an army shooting people on site for opposition. Find a better explanation than "many Germans didn't like Hitler either", it doesn't work as an apples vs apples comparison.

[kinggirlfriend]

The difference to Nazi Germany everyone seems to conveniently forget is that Hitler had a private army that would just kill you for standing up and speaking out against his Reich. So, ergo, no one stood up.
Get back to us when Trump or the GOP has an army shooting people on site for opposition. Find a better explanation than "many Germans didn't like Hitler either", it doesn't work as an apples vs apples comparison.

Well, I like to think we all hope it doesn't come to that. But so far he's gone out of his way to marginalize large groups of people, including trying to control the narrative of the press. It's all rather disheartening isn't it? The outpouring of and constant barrage of lies, the lack of class and decorum, and the lack of diversity withing the cabinet makes most of pause to consider where this might possibly be heading. But oh yeah Hillary's emails *snicker*, .... oh wait now Pence has personal emails that were compromised too! Not even two months in and how many people have resigned so far? With more in line as we speak. This whole admin is a terrible joke.

To bring this back to Valiant, even someone like Harada-san has more humanity than the rubes in power now.

[Captain Craig]

Obama and the Democrats marginalized large groups of people.
Christian...can't have that you narrow minded person.
2nd Amendment Proponent, why who do you want to kill you hate monger?
You will bake a cake for those people. As a matter of fact we are going to send you to a special training. You have no rights to decide who you do business with...unless you're a rock star and then it's totally ok to not play venues. Bake a cake, by heavens yes you will.

Eric Holder was a true obstructionist I mean hell I could tit for tat with you all day. Sessions hasn't done anything wrong but the narrative is sure FRAMED that way. The Obama Administration was full of scandal(several resigned), HOWEVER, the press DID treat him and his administration with kid gloves vs Trump, right out of the gate. The Pence thing is pretty ironic, even though he wasn't communicating TOP SECRET information it was a poor choice. I wouldn't even argue that.

I've no problem agreeing that Trump lacks some decorum. I did want Betsy DeVos anymore than my liberal friends. Hell, Trump wasn't in my top 5 of First choice candidates but I digress.

Staying VALIANT focused, I will absolutely read Bloodshot:Salvation and see what Lemire plans to do. Thinly veiled political commentary or all up in our faces with an agenda...we shall see.

[kinggirlfriend]

Thought this was kind of a crummy comment from Robert Kirkman.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03...ade-eccc-2017/

[kinggirlfriend]

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03...er-renegade-5/