What's the worst retcon you've read?

[t hedge coke]

Everything Grant Morrison NXM (Fucking Xorn and many more)

What Xorn retcon happened in Morrison's NXM?

[The Sword is Drawn]

Everything Grant Morrison NXM (Fucking Xorn and many more)

Can you be more specific. I mean I don't doubt for even 10 seconds that Morrison kinda... broke the X-Men. But what were the actual Retcons.

[Naked Bat]

Sin past is waful. Norman Osborn would never sleep with a whiny girl like Gwen Stacy. He's more classy than that.

[Iron Fist]

- Xorn being Magneto
- Emma Frost's diamond power because 'planted' by Cassandra Nova
- Making Mary Jane a total bitch to ease fans into the idea of retconning away her marriage to Peter in One More Day.
- Morrison bringing Jean back from the dead with zero explanation and making the phoenix force a power she just has instead of it being a cosmic entity.

[t hedge coke]

- Xorn being Magneto.

He always was. The retcon would be that he wasn't.

- Emma Frost's diamond power because 'planted' by Cassandra Nova

I thought that was just an illusion, like Kitty's baby.

- Morrison bringing Jean back from the dead with zero explanation and making the phoenix force a power she just has instead of it being a cosmic entity.

Neither of those happened during New X-Men. I'm not sure the second has ever happened.

[Iron Fist]

He always was. The retcon would be that he wasn't.

I remember reading something by Morrison that it was an editorial thing that made Xorn Magneto, when Morrison had planned otherwise.

I thought that was just an illusion, like Kitty's baby.

I might need to go back and reread Whedon's Astonishing run but I never saw it as an illusion?

[t hedge coke]

I remember reading something by Morrison that it was an editorial thing that made Xorn Magneto, when Morrison had planned otherwise.

Xorn was always planned as Magneto.

What he does with his powers, the whole time, only makes sense, really, if he's got magnetic powers. With "healing" powers, he can't kill robots, shoot blasts, or rend steel. We just kind of accepted that he could because they said so.

[CSTowle]

There's a bunch. Half of everything that's happened to Spider-Man in the past 20 years. Clone saga, Chapter One, the Other, OMD, Sins Past, etc.

[Dr. Skeleton]

There's a bunch. Half of everything that's happened to Spider-Man in the past 20 years. Clone saga, Chapter One, the Other, OMD, Sins Past, etc.

Agreed 100% It's a real wonder why people still reads Spidey.

[Mighty Roman]

How did he fix it?

Oh, my answer is also Snap Wilson.
Not only did it ruin the history of a great character, it was also downright racist.

Remeder has Sam mention that the existence of 'Snap Wilson' was just a rumour created by the Red Skull to ruin his reputation. Image-68-350x215.jpg
But despite how racist Snap Wilson was, I liked the idea that the hero's sidekick was a terrible person created to be the perfect sidekick by the villain. Just the way they did it was clumsy and racist.

[Of Atlantis]

I forgot to mention the retcon where Black Widow had her memories of her relationship with Bucky erased by a villain just to mess with him. Blatantly obvious how it was mandated by editorial to align with the movies, and a damn shame it had to be slopped together by such a talented writer before he left the book for good.

[JBatmanFan05]

He always was. The retcon would be that he wasn't.

I agree. Xorn always was Magneto and always should have been. Marvel trying to change that (don't know what the status is now) was one of the worst Marvel retcons.

Mags under kick did what he did and he could have easily returned from his "death."


I will never ever accept that Xorn wasn't Magneto. One of the best reveals in comics.

[t hedge coke]

I will never ever accept that Xorn wasn't Magneto. One of the best reveals in comics.

I find it easiest to chalk it up to Wanda messing with reality.

And, since, these days, half the references seem to have Magneto as Magneto in Planet X, while the other half still hold to the two Xorns story, I suppose it makes more sense even than picking one and trying to erase the other.

[PiercedMonk]

Wiccan and Speed as the reincarnated souls of the Scarlet Witch and Vision's children.

If that's the case, than whose baby souls did Master Pandemonium graft to his wrists?



Huh? How do you explain that, Marvel?

[smp4life]

The Hobgoblin was Ned Leeds. A great villian. This was ret-conned to be Leeds was just a brainwashed stooge of the Roderick Kingsley. Always hated this.