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    I actually like Azazel better because I just think the Mystique and Destiny thing was a little bit creepy for me. I would say it would work if they managed to do away with all the bad elements and actually try to find a way to fit in into the original story.

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    • Maddie Pryor being a clone.

      Gwen sleeping with Norman

      Black Cat being raped

      Sam Wilson being a pimp





    Quote Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
    I actually like Azazel better because I just think the Mystique and Destiny thing was a little bit creepy for me. I would say it would work if they managed to do away with all the bad elements and actually try to find a way to fit in into the original story.
    What was creepy about Mystique and Destiny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    • Maddie Pryor being a clone.

      Gwen sleeping with Norman

      Black Cat being raped

      Sam Wilson being a pimp







    What was creepy about Mystique and Destiny?
    Just the female father thing really doesn't sit well with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicksilverfan View Post
    There have been to many awful retcons to list...the only retcon I remember liking was reestablishing Polaris as Magneto's daughter.
    A retcon which by the way went against what had been established directly and indirectly over the years since it had been shown previously that they did NOT have a genetic link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davew128 View Post
    A retcon which by the way went against what had been established directly and indirectly over the years since it had been shown previously that they did NOT have a genetic link.
    And before any of that it was said that he was her popz lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    snap wilson

    thank you remender for fixing that
    How did he fix it?

    Oh, my answer is also Snap Wilson.
    Not only did it ruin the history of a great character, it was also downright racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4sake Baned View Post
    yeah the darco really isn't that bad of a story is not great either I personally would prefer if mystique and destiny or mystique and John wrath were nightcrawlers parents.. the problem they really presented itself with the story was Writers, fans and editors didn't pay attention to the details that you just listed above and and to add that he was trying to teleport a whole army and not just himself out of that dimension... the Darko wouldn't even make my top 30 recons, mostly because it was literally just there until years later when writers and editors who didn't read the original story start adding extra nonsense to it..
    I think what happen was Azazel got some of his children to help open a portal that would connect both realms so that Azazel could step thourgh the portal so that he didn't have to teleport and be just as powerful as he was in that other dimension.
    Skeeter: Hey time traveling O5 members of the X-Men We don't take kindly to people who create a time paradox around here!

    Bartender: Now calm down Skeeter they aint hurtin nobody.

    Skeeter: No! I wanna know som'in from the "O5" How come you cant go back to your own timeline in the first place and how come when Reed Richards "fixed" the universe you wasnt put back and how come the changes that happn to you dont happn to your present day selves?

    Bartender: Skeeter I dont want trouble

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    Did anyone mention Peter's Robo Parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrimson View Post
    I'm starting to think of ongoing comics from Marvel (and DC) as a very long highway that has potholes. Marvel attempts to fill in these potholes with retcons, but it just makes the road patchwork. It's just the nature of the ongoing comic.
    That is how I see it as well - I have used that metaphor a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    • Maddie Pryor being a clone.

      Gwen sleeping with Norman

      Black Cat being raped

      Sam Wilson being a pimp







    What was creepy about Mystique and Destiny?
    I hate the Gwen sleeping with Norman story with all my heart but I thought the Maddie Pryor is a clone was always the plan or something like that by Claremont.
    Last edited by Jack Flag; 04-23-2015 at 12:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flag View Post
    I hate the Gwen sleeping with Norman story with all my heart but I thought the Maddie Pryor is a clone was always the plan or something like that by Claremont. Sam Wilson was not retconned into being a pimp or criminal type - he was originally written as that. In fact if I read the recent Captain America correctly, Marvel is now saying he was never a "Snap" Wilson and the fact he was a criminal that was saved by Steve Rogers was a Red Skull creation via the Cosmic Cube and that Sam Wilson was never a criminal.
    Claremont intended no such thing for Maddie. She and Scott were supposed to be written out of the book and get a happy ending. When editorial reunited the O5 they forced Scott to leave his wife for Jean and the clone retcon was added to make Scott look like less of a jerk.

    Sam being a pimp was a retcon. He was initially a social worker.

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    Marvel has some bad ones.
    Brain-ambushed gay Bobby,
    One more day,
    Snap Wilson,
    Disassembled is just... urgh,
    Wanda & Pietro
    but, and I know this is a Marvel forum, but the worst retcon of all time has just got to be... (drumroll)
    The New 52. It would take a master of chaos to come up with something worse than that. Give it time. They will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Claremont intended no such thing for Maddie. She and Scott were supposed to be written out of the book and get a happy ending. When editorial reunited the O5 they forced Scott to leave his wife for Jean and the clone retcon was added to make Scott look like less of a jerk.

    Sam being a pimp was a retcon. He was initially a social worker.
    What I meant is they retconned the Sam Wilson retcon away. But I am pretty sure the Maddie think - her looking like Jean - was linked to some planned story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Claremont intended no such thing for Maddie. She and Scott were supposed to be written out of the book and get a happy ending. When editorial reunited the O5 they forced Scott to leave his wife for Jean and the clone retcon was added to make Scott look like less of a jerk.

    Sam being a pimp was a retcon. He was initially a social worker.
    A hero getting a happy ending? No such thing in comics from the Big Two, my friend.

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    One more day (WORST)
    Wanda + Pietro being non-mutants
    Everything Grant Morrison NXM (Fucking Xorn and many more)
    Last edited by scottsummer; 04-23-2015 at 01:56 AM.

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