What U putting in your nose?
Is that where all your money goes (Is that where your money goes)
The river of addiction flows
U think it's hot, but there won't be no water
When the fire blows
First they came for the mutants, and I said nothing. Then they came for the chickens, and still I said nothing... -cyberhubbs
Sentinel camp? Is Black Swan a mutant? And did they all raid Emma Frosts wardrobe? At least that is multiversal.
That wasn't our Black Swan as she was recruited as a child by other BS's.
A question:
That exchange says one of two things to me. Either (A) Killing Molecule Man before the twenty-five year simultaneous death of everything prevents his death from destroying the earth and the universe (in which case MM's "Sure it did." means "Sure nothing happened.") This would mean that killing Reece early saves the universe, and so the Incursions are bad because they destroy the universes due to the collapse. In which case our Black Swan is doing the right thing by trying to stop the Incursions.Molecule Man (616): They lit my fuse, and now I -- all of me -- am terminal. And when I die... I'll take my universe with me. And they want to see what happens when we all go off at once.
Doom (616): But that isn't what happened. You died and nothing happened.
Molecule Man (616): Sure it did. But that me -- one of an infinite number of me's -- died early. First, in fact. If we're going to thwart their plan, you're going to have to kill a whole lot more of me... and soon.
Or (B), killing the Molecule Man still causes the death of his universe, but it comes earlier than expected, ruining the whole "simultaneous" thing the Beyonders are after. In which case, in killing the MMs early, Doom is trying to get to the point where the Beyonders halt their experiment. The Incursions help him achieve this by killing off MMs early, and so Black Swan is on the wrong side (the side of the Beyonders) because her preserving earths results in the experiment continuing.
Is that right or am I missing something?
EDIT: After re-reading the end of the issue, I'm thinking it's B. Strange asks what the point would be if Doom's actiosn led to the same thing. Doom says that he's trying to save something. This may mean that the Incursions help form Battleworld or that Doom has formed Battleworld in secret.
SECOND EDIT: This would perhaps also explain why the Beyonders killed the Living Tribunal. They were trying to cause the simultaneous death of the Multiverse without Molecule Man.
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My only response: what the **** is going on? Doom's the cause? That's out of nowhere and doesn't fit. Molecule Man is important here? That's totally random. There is a thin line between "intricate" and "convoluted". Hickman crossed it.
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I think (B) the purpose of killing Molecule Men was an attempt to "save something" because there are missing MMs the Beyonder's can't destroy everything at once. But I believe they tried to correct this by creating a virus to infect the super adaptoids (mapmakers). The Mapmakers would find earths (blue incursions) where MMs have died; map it then the frequency it set (NA#30; same frequency as MM) would lure the Cosmic Abtracts and Living Tribunal to wild space where the Beyonders kill them thus destroying the Universe where MM no longer exists. If they were to find and destroy all these universes then they can enact their original plan and destroy what is left of the Multiverse simultaneously.
I hope FCBD Secret Wars#0 make a coherent story.
I am not even sure of the chronological order of the events now.
But I may be too linear.
Each MM is a time-bomb. He is due to explode and destroy the universe. They are all the same so they are all timed to go off together.
Killing one stops the fuse. He won't destroy the universe.
The complication is that killing a significant number of MM starts the incursions, which will result in worlds colliding in such a manner that the worlds without molecule men will eventually be destroyed.
So it isn't directly true to say it makes no difference to kill MM or to kill a universe or indeed to kill a world.
The Beyonders want their simultaneous destruction experiment to succeed so once they notice the lack of molecule men they try and fix things, and find out why he is dying. That is why the map makers are looking for worlds without MM. They seed the worlds without MM with beacons to help them map the incursions and try to figure out the pattern of failure. They are effectively looking for the cause of the incursions or to put it another way they are mapping out a path to Doom.
“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Just another point about Mapmakers. They specifically say they need time to collect all that's salvageable from an Earth before going on to blow it up. If Mapmakers work for the Beyonders, then the Beyonders end up making Battleworld from all the salvage of the Mapmakers. Are we certain Mapmakers are working for Beyonder?
If that's the case, Beyonders aren't working towards instantaneous Multiversal destruction, but forming a Battleworld all along, so Dooms efforts are all for the wrong reasons, and Doom has missed the point. Doom isn't doing something to save the Multiverse. He's listining to a crazy person, Owen Reese, while the Multiverse burns. Isn't that what's going on?
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It is Doom version.
But even him was not sure why the Black Priests.
The way I read the Swans seeing the timebomb I think they see Doom's hubris. He is about to divert from his plan and attempt to destroy the Beyonders instead. He is going against his stated religious aim of divine destruction. The new plan would seek to save the multiverse which causes the apostate to seek a continuation of the destruction in the name of the true destroyer not this hubristic human who has lied about everything.
“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
If Reese was made by Beyonders, Reese wasn't going to tell anyone. Why did he tell Doom in the first place?
Goes against his race? Are we saying the Beyonders wanted instantaneous annihilation of the Multiverse in 2015, (which they triggered in 1990), and sat back and waited? But, a renegade Beyonder liked the current experiment and collected Battleworld to continue? That's going to irk the Beyonders isn't it? Here are the Beyonders, sitting in a locked room arms folded waiting for the final BOOM, and when the clock ticks to midnight, "Hey? Where's all the fireworks? Who was in charge of the detonation?". I think they may be a little disappointed.
It really didn't matter if the Black Swan was delaying one or two incursions here or there, because Incursions were still occurring. She couldn't go to all incursions could she? I don't think Doom was trying to save the Multiverse as much as stall the Beyonders from instantaneous Destruction. In the end, it didn't matter what Doom or BS did.
I'm more inclined to think all those times anyone saves the Earth from destruction was saving the Universe, so it was more, the Illuminati were doing the good thing, albeit in a murderous race for forlorn self-preservation. If the Builders succeeded in destroying Earth in Infinity, they would have killed Reese, and blown up the Universe. I'm still unsure on how you kill a Molecule Man. Sentry couldn't kill Reese, so how can blowing up a planet?
Map makers suspiciously sounds like Battleworld makers. But future Vals story does point to her up to something in an empty universe.
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