So then it's basically what Kyle and Yost did to Warren...yet that was panned by fans and this was praised...there's a big difference between acknoeledging that what you're doing is wrong and that you want to stop and actually doing something about it, my point was that Remender, Humphries, and Spurrier never actually had her do anything about it, she gave it only token statements with them never having any interest in her actually changing anything...
I bring up the sales thing again because if Betsy has so many fans then that'd mean that many of them were not buying the book, not having a job, no local comic book stores, and the idea that if you don't like what's going on in the book then don't buy it is keeping me from buying X-books...
I wonder how much flak a future writer would get if they just retconned the addiction away or changed it so that she's no longer addicted to killing, I'd guess they'd get a lot of flak that hate for Betsy to change from their preferred version of her despite telling me that she has to change from how I like to see her...and no that doesn't mean a white picket fence version where everything is great...
And hadn't she gotten over Matsuo and what he did years if not a decade earlier...
You dont get over something like losing your body and then watching it get destroyed.
I for one loved what Kyle and Yost did to Warren. He made a boring character (imo) into an interesting one.
If Betsy changes I would be fine with it as long as it all makes sense. As I have loved all her incarnations and am not stuck on one era of her existence.
"Dear World: the nation of mutantkind is watching you. Do not #$%& with us." -Cable-
Im talking story wise not why the writer used her. Its what he did with her. A good writer uses the continuity to empower his story. He did that.
Betsy died. Came back and yes was all over the place in Exiles and she was hunted and scared of Slaymaster. Who, much like Vargas was a challenge to her and she finally overcame her fear and killed Slaymaster. She was then yanked from that oifeninto her old body and then lost it again. She was pissed and had had enough of being used and abused. She felt the need to take lethal action. From a character standpoint it makes perfect sense why she would be will willing to kill.
So yes, Remender used her cause she was available but thats not at all what Im discussing here. Her reasonings in story called back to her recent history. She was now in more control of her life for the time on quite a while and felt killing was nessessary. Which is why Wolverine would allow her to be on his secret death squad
"Dear World: the nation of mutantkind is watching you. Do not #$%& with us." -Cable-
Honestly i think your reaching here, and once again writers pick their characters do to availability and what will work. That does add to whatever it is they had to achieve. Betsy's call back to her "recent" history really didn't mean anything. Betsy felt killing was necessary started started in UXF after schism based on logan's view, not something that happen naturally for her. Betsy was ok with killing and doesn't judge others hence the famous 80's panel when her and storm were considering on killing havoc. In 2007 during Nation X when cyclops gave the order to be on standby to kill betsy was uncomfortable with it. When remender picked and used her continuity had nothing to do with it. He didn't even know it. He was learning it as he went along. (he mentioned it on his twitter years ago) Logan asked her he didn't allow her. Much like in Spurrier's run where Betsy and Cable talk, same thing was happening with Betsy. Hell in UXF she was the first person to stand in the way from killing poccy. So in every sense since UXF and even in XF Betsy has shown time and time again she has a line and she knows how it effects her. She's "WILLING" to kill but doesn't think it's necessary. Two different idea's and makes sense for her character progression. So her on UXM current roster for Nov. in terms of the teaser premise makes sense for that perspective, but for a character standpoint and continuity wise it sticks out simply cause it destroys the idea and point of why they stopped Cable. Ideally cable was/is doing the same thing as magneto. 8 months doesn't necessarily mean "Dramatic" change even in comic books. As far as we're concerned she can still be the same or there for a completely different reasoning. Being there for a completely different reasoning interms of "progression" makes the most sense. It is Magneto's team and he assembled them. The ultimate question is how all things considering.
We've seen a glimpse of Psylocke's view about killing before UXF. And I think the real progression starts in UXF. Even in UXF she started as hesitant killer, until she feels the thrill of killing the Reavers. So for me the progression made sense.
The glimpses we get before uxf came more from that Crimson dawn mess. Betsy is/was willing to kill has been there since the 80's. The "nesscity" started in uxf (we know why due to decemination) and from that we've seen what it's came to with her. Both remender and spurrier do a very excellent job in giving and can't be disacknowledged.
What is everyone's opinion of the most recent X-Force series (with Betsy and Cable)? Is it worth reading? I would only be reading it for Psylocke.
I beleive we are talking about the same thing from two different angles as I dont disagree with you per se.
Crimson Dawn was just stupid and didnt have much to do with killing at all
Betsy had always been lethal. But the specific arc that started focusing on it was in Psylocke #1. She argues with Wolverine about it. (Hes such a hypocrite lol) and it sets up her later revenge against Matsuo in that same mini series.
That mini was before Uncanny Xforce. Regardless of what Remender knew or planned it was built up in her character. It made sense for her to be on such a team. Thats all Im saying.
"Dear World: the nation of mutantkind is watching you. Do not #$%& with us." -Cable-
"Dear World: the nation of mutantkind is watching you. Do not #$%& with us." -Cable-
Ugh... the Crimson Dawn storyline. I haven't read that in a while, but I remember that it felt off to me. I think it'd be a little better if Logan, not Warren (he'd still be there as the boyfiend), was the one who had the piece of Betsy's soul in him. With the bond and trust Betsy and Logan had developed from her change to a ninja, it made more sense to me if it was him.
Of course every writer seemed to forget about his bond with Betsy (more than likely they were made to ignore it by editorial, who wasn't doing their job correctly at that time).
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Olivia Munn is looking pretty good there. Hope the movie uses Psylocke's psionic illusions in conjunction with the martial arts as her fighting style. Or hope beyond hope, they give her one of her trademark Marvel vs Capcom moves.
The mini doesn't sum up betsy but i notice something in all your posts, you seem to dis-acknowlege a lot of betsy's backstory for your "angle" and remender didn't look through just the mini as the shadow king and otherworld connection isn't even hinted at such. Don't understand why you worded that line as such to suggest such a thing.
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