Continuity is it important? - For movie fans and Comic book fans?

[Gray Lensman]

I thought it was indicated there were differences between 616 and 811 even BEFORE this.

For starters, it was established long ago that Rachel is multiversally unique, or pretty close to it. While pretty much every alternate universe has (or has had at one point) a Cyclops, a Wolverine, a Xavier and a Psylocke, pretty much none of them had a Rachel Summers-Grey.

[ZNOP]

I thought it was indicated there were differences between 616 and 811 even BEFORE this.

There was several differences but the biggest difference was...

In the #811 timeline the Sentinels ruled North America, killed nearly all of the super humans, and placed any living mutants in internment camps.

[Sardorim]

That never happens in 616 because Kitty changed it's future thus making 616 no longer their timelines past after that point.

[ZNOP]

That never happens in 616 because Kitty changed it's future thus making 616 no longer their timelines past after that point.

Fair enough, but I was responding to...

I thought it was indicated there were differences between 616 and 811 even BEFORE this.

There was... Jean Grey was killed by a nuke set-off by Mastermind... Moreover (Sardorim), while Kitty prevented the death of Senator Kelly in the past of the 616 timeline she did not affect the 811 timeline -- that's why nothing changed (the Sentinels were still in control) when Kitty returned to her body which prompted Rachel to retrace Kitty's trip only to discover she sent Kitty to the wrong past. I merely pointed out what I thought was the biggest difference between the two timelines.

[Sardorim]

That's because changing the past doesn't erase the future, it creates a new future. So while 616, at a certain point, was her past her timeline stopping being 616's future due to time travel.

That's usually the case but now we have stuff like Tempus and O5 making time travel all kinds of wonkers.

[Gray Lensman]

That's because changing the past doesn't erase the future, it creates a new future. So while 616, at a certain point, was her past her timeline stopping being 616's future due to time travel.

That's usually the case but now we have stuff like Tempus and O5 making time travel all kinds of wonkers.

Blame that on the guy who invented the Doomlock and enabled changes to stick rather than merely cause an alternate timeline. Tempus and the O5 are merely extensions of that first variation of the established rules the editors allowed.

[The Fury]

Blame that on the guy who invented the Doomlock and enabled changes to stick rather than merely cause an alternate timeline. Tempus and the O5 are merely extensions of that first variation of the established rules the editors allowed.

What is Doomlock?

More like Editors failed at the jobs to enforce.

[ZNOP]

What is Doomlock?

More like Editors failed at the jobs to enforce.

Doomlock

[The Fury]

Doomlock

Talk about confusing. I did notice a while back that Marvel were really pushing the time travel thing especially after years of Joey Q not liking it and I presume Alonso agreeing with him, every book basically had something to do with it in. It was... odd. Like they were planning something.

The idea of a timeline that is not affected by time travel is stupid. If you have this device, go back in time to kill someone, succeed, then the future you came from doesn't exist, so you don't go back in time, so you aren't there to kill them... so the timeline isn't affected and you do go back in time.

Infinite loop. Good times.

[Ambaryerno]

Talk about confusing. I did notice a while back that Marvel were really pushing the time travel thing especially after years of Joey Q not liking it and I presume Alonso agreeing with him, every book basically had something to do with it in. It was... odd. Like they were planning something.

The idea of a timeline that is not affected by time travel is stupid. If you have this device, go back in time to kill someone, succeed, then the future you came from doesn't exist, so you don't go back in time, so you aren't there to kill them... so the timeline isn't affected and you do go back in time.

Infinite loop. Good times.

That paradox is exactly why the concept of "You can't change your own history" exists, and all changes in the past result in a divergent universe that coexists alongside the original.

At least until you get stupid walking Deus Ex Machinas like Tempus abusing and breaking the laws of causality on a whim.

[The Fury]

That paradox is exactly why the concept of "You can't change your own history" exists, and all changes in the past result in a divergent universe that coexists alongside the original.

At least until you get stupid walking Deus Ex Machinas like Tempus abusing and breaking the laws of causality on a whim.

Weird thing is, Tempus time travel is actually consistent with Marvel's old laws. When Bishop came back in time (even if it was not his intention), his future was the possibility at that exact moment, he entered the 616 and it all changed so his future will not come to pass anymore in the 616. This in essence is the point of Marvel time travel, character travel to prevent something bad happening. If Bishop was to travel forward in time, he'd travel in the 616 not his timeline as he's not in it anymore.

Tempus time travel recently fitted this, the events we witness from Xavier's Will onwards happened and still did happen in another timeline, Tempus changed that the instant she went back in time and spoke to Xavier, her time travel split 616 into 2 paths, 1 where Xavier made it so Matthew Malloy was never born and 1 she didn't time travel to and he was born. When she went forward again, she went forward in the new 616 timeline where according to everything, it all happened the same until that Will reading just with no Malloy.

What doesn't makes sense is All-new X-men and Battle of the Atom. Beast's very time travel would create 2 realities, one where he didn't visit and one where he did. He should have bought forward characters from the new timeline not the 616 but the writers and editors are claiming otherwise.


Alas, all this time travel stuff Marvel did from X-factor, to Avengers Vol 4 1-6, to All New X-men to Age of Ultron, felt like it was leading up to someone time travel related. If it was SW we get out of it... well, that's rather disappointing.