Potential Secret Wars Spoiler: The Beyonder's Experiments = The Simulation Hypothesis (The Multiverse is a Simulation)?

[xcoijoi]

One twist with the Beyonder angle, that differs from the standard Bostrom hypothesis, is that the Beyonder (the original one) doesn't remember that he created the simulation (assuming he did). He spent most of his time frustrated, trying to figure out the rules and the nature of these strange life forms, all with some form of 'desire' that intrigued him.

[Wikoogle]

One twist with the Beyonder angle, that differs from the standard Bostrom hypothesis, is that the Beyonder (the original one) doesn't remember that he created the simulation (assuming he did). He spent most of his time frustrated, trying to figure out the rules and the nature of these strange life forms, all with some form of 'desire' that intrigued him.

In Hickman's storyline, he was referred to as a child beyonder. Thus, the original secret wars occured when a child higher being got a hold of the simulation and used it as his own personal play thing.

[swerve]

Not that you actually have a spoiler, but if you did, just a word of advice that the place to put it is not in the title of the thread.

[xcoijoi]

One twist with the Beyonder angle, that differs from the standard Bostrom hypothesis, is that the Beyonder (the original one) doesn't remember that he created the simulation (assuming he did). He spent most of his time frustrated, trying to figure out the rules and the nature of these strange life forms, all with some form of 'desire' that intrigued him.

Ok, I had just read the title of the thread, and the first couple of paragraphs. I thought you were talking form the point of view of the original Beyonder, not the current version. But I read the rest of your original post, a few minutes ago.

Alright, so in terms of the race of Beyonders being the creators of the 616 and Marvel universes simulation, who knows? Maybe someone will ask Hickman directly at some time, if he was trying to provoke these types of debates.

Or maybe, when comics finally start to lose their revenue streams, and that side of Marvel & DC shuts down, they will claim it was all a simulation by the Beyonders or the Infinites, or some other entities not yet revealed.

[Wikoogle]

Or maybe, when comics finally start to lose their revenue streams, and that side of Marvel & DC shuts down, they will claim it was all a simulation by the Beyonders or the Infinites, or some other entities not yet revealed.

Why would they only be able to claim this if comics lose their revenue stream? You make it sound like having the marvel multiverse be a part of a much larger grander universe of the beyonders somehow takes away from the marvel universe. It doesn't. The marvel multiverse being a simulation created by the beyonders doesn't make the experiences of the characters in that multiverse any less real or less meaningful. That would be like saying that our planet being just one of billions and billions of planets in our galaxy which in it self is just one one of billions of galaxies in the universe somehow makes our own experiences less meaningful. It doesn't.

It would be a good thing if Marvel has the courage to go this route. It also makes the marvel universe much more realistic. Suddenly, entities like galactus, the phoenix force, the living tribunal and things like mutants with very different power sets popping up out of the blue become much more feasible. Galactus's explanation that he serves a purpose that is beyond their comprehension makes sense. The idea that mutants are a byproduct of natural evolution was ridiculous at best. However, all these things would no longer be as laughably illogical if the entire marvel multiverse was indeed part of a larger simulation.

[Darkmythology]

Further support for this would be how the Beyonders are able to rewrite the laws of reality on a whim. Case in point they "spliced a problem-solving virus into real space" to aid them in their diagnostics of the dead Molecule Man problem. The theory seems to make sense. So basically, the Marvel Universe is the Matrix, and Doctor Doom is Neo...

[Wikoogle]

Further support for this would be how the Beyonders are able to rewrite the laws of reality on a whim. Case in point they "spliced a problem-solving virus into real space" to aid them in their diagnostics of the dead Molecule Man problem. The theory seems to make sense. So basically, the Marvel Universe is the Matrix, and Doctor Doom is Neo...

Exactly except.... Franklin Richards is Neo. Doctor doom is Morpheus. He facilitates the savior of the multiverse, Adult Franklin.

[xcoijoi]

Further support for this would be how the Beyonders are able to rewrite the laws of reality on a whim. Case in point they "spliced a problem-solving virus into real space" to aid them in their diagnostics of the dead Molecule Man problem. The theory seems to make sense. So basically, the Marvel Universe is the Matrix, and Doctor Doom is Neo...

"Why would they only be able to claim this if comics lose their revenue stream?"

Who said only? This was just speculation, about what might happen.

Wow. You're really into just arguing, for its own sake. I'm done here, thanks for the topic.

[Wikoogle]

Not that you actually have a spoiler, but if you did, just a word of advice that the place to put it is not in the title of the thread.

Thanks for the tip. I wasn't really thinking of the beyonders experiments being the spoiler though, more the ending to the secret wars story arc with franklin richards recreating the entire marvel multiverse at the end of this event.

[Wikoogle]

Very pleased to find out that Secrets Wars #3 will be confirming this theory.

[Wikoogle]

The papers those articles refer to cover something rather different from what you're talking about.

In some ways, yes they do. But they also leave open the possibility that everything we see around us is a projection inside a much richer reality that we can't interact with. If so, the chances that we are living in a simulation created by higher beings goes up IMO.

[Pat Thomas]

In some ways, yes they do. But they also leave open the possibility that everything we see around us is a projection inside a much richer reality that we can't interact with. If so, the chances that we are living in a simulation created by higher beings goes up IMO.

Like God, maybe? Or is that too ridiculous?

[Wikoogle]

Like the beyonders. Higher beings running a simulation of which we are a part.

[Habis]

Like God, maybe? Or is that too ridiculous?

Or like the Cosmic Dance of Shiva Nataraja.

[Londo Bellian]

The Beyonders are avatars of every single story writer, editor, etc. of Marvel Comics in its entire history?