Originally Posted by
remydat
Marvel,
1. Threat to National Security. Once that is invoked, all bets are off. Your comments about needing a warrant and such are pre 9/11 dude. That is not the reality of the comics nor is it our present reality. So the only question here is does a planet eating cosmic entity and the girl it is coming for pose a threat to national security. I think any government in the world would say yes.
2. Xavier does not have to be granted the same authority. You can't kill civilians while resisting the government. Self defense is no longer a legal defense once it is determine in 1 above that Cyke resisted an attempt by a governmental authority to detain him. Once an agent of the government says come with me, the appropriate response is to go with them period. If you have questions or concerns about the legality of their actions then that is something you take up with the appropriate authorities after you go with them. It's not something that you simply choose to ignore or resist.d even if Xavier was working with the Avengers, he was not a member of the team. It was never stated outright that he was part of them or that he was granted the same authority. He still mostly coordinated with the X-men and the Jean Grey Institute. A citizen just working with the authorities can't be granted the same privileges as the authorities without some kind of legal standing. The absence of such standing in this case makes your assertion unreasonable and not pertinent to the case at hand. I have been stopped by cops a few times when I felt I did nothing wrong. You know what I did? I followed their instructions and then filled a complaint.
3. You are pretending like Cyke became intoxicated the minute he got the PF power. He did not and nothing in the comic suggests he did. Now if I missed something where it said he was immediately intoxicated by this power then please present it. Again you are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you argue things didn't spiral out of control until he was provoked but if that is true then it means prior to being provoked, he was in his right state of mind and could have sought help during that time.
4. It's relevant because what he knew about the PF informed his decision. If all he knew about the PF was that it was destructive then he likely would have ran to get help. Instead he knew that it could be destructive when provoked but he also knew his wife and daughter had lived with it previously using it to their benefit. Thus, unlike your claim, he did not view it as a dangerous drug. He viewed as a means to an end and consciously decided once he received the power to use it to his benefit like he had seen his wife and daughter do so before. That was the risk he took. It had nothing to do with the PF overpowering him the minute he received it. IT had to do with Cyke weighing the pros and cons and as is typical with Cyke making what he thought was a rational decision ie the benefits outweighed the risks. The idea that
5. Again show me where the PF immediately overpowers the person it takes over. This was not true with JG and it was not true with RG. And nothing in the comic suggest it is true with Cyke. Further by you own admission, the point where it did overpower him was not until he was provoked. So you can't have it both ways.
6. Why did the Avengers have an obligation to stop the PF. Because as you said, Cyke was given something dangerous against his will. Again, you contradict yourself. They were responding to the very risk you are now trying to use to defend Cyke. Like if you friend or son or daughter ingests a drug, do you wait for them to show symptoms, or do you intervene as soon as you are aware they ingested the drug?
7. And again prove to me he was intoxicated from the minute he received the PF and tell me how that is consistent with the whole history of the PF. I know of no one that immediately becomes intoxicated with the PF. They go crazy when provoked and the point being made here is that if Cyke prior to being provoked had considered the danger that could arise once he was inevitable provoked then he should have sought help.
So to sum, your whole argument rests on something you have yet to prove and something that I don't think any comic has ever supported ie the idea that the minute one receives the PF, they immediately lose all ability to make their own decisions. Cyke did not seek help because he lost all control. He didn't seek help because like his wife and daughter before him, he thought he could control it and use it to his benefit.