X-Men (Days of Future Past) vs. Avengers (MCU)

[big_adventure]

All things considered, Quicksilver appears able to blitz the Avengers, even if he decides to get to their starting position with a Michael Jackson style moonwalk, and can deliver with absolutely trivial effort enough kinetic energy to send a normal person flying.

Now, considering that Loki (who is strong, but not THAT strong) was able to stab Thor through his armor with an awkwardly designed knife, I am approximately 100% sure that Quicksilver can do absolutely horrific things to Thor's eyes if he feels like putting effort into it. If he doesn't carry anything suitably sharp, I am sure that he can borrow something adequate from Scarlet Widow.

Thor is flatly not durable enough to ignore this, is not fast enough to prevent this and is not composed enough to keep fighting in spite of this.

And assuming for some reason that he tries to hit the ground to unleash one of his big AoEs and that he is fast enough to do so before the other X-Men can react (which I do not for a second believe)... well, ain't it lucky that there is one unbreakable shield in the arena that Quicksilver can borrow to block Mjolnir?

Two things here - Loki's blades and strength are not normal and are way the hell past Quicksilver. Thor takes hits from the Hulk and Kurse without exploding, and shots that disintegrate magical Odin-threatening Frost Giant kings without a mark and such. Thor ignores most of what Iron Man dishes, and certainly never got hurt by the guy, meanwhile, taking his armor apart. Loki's blades thus have to be considered special.

And what happens when a NON charged blast from Mjolnir hits Cap's shield? Oh, that's right, all of the old-growth trees in an arena-sized area are flattened, Iron Man is downed and stunned by the blast, and Cap survives because he was behind the shield. So blocking with this shield doesn't seem like a better situation.

[AdvanceBushido]

And what happens when a NON charged blast from Mjolnir hits Cap's shield? Oh, that's right, all of the old-growth trees in an arena-sized area are flattened, Iron Man is downed and stunned by the blast, and Cap survives because he was behind the shield. So blocking with this shield doesn't seem like a better situation.

Good point!

But instead of Peter being there. How about Colossus or Wolverine taking the place of Peter. Colossus does have the feat of swing Wolverine around.

[Charlie]

Could Magneto use the shield to beat the crap out of the Avengers?

Assuming he moves it as sufficient speeds.

Or uses Wolverine as a human knife?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Could Magneto use the shield to beat the crap out of the Avengers?

Assuming he moves it as sufficient speeds.

Or uses Wolverine as a human knife?

DOFP Wolverine has no adamantium (unless you're using their future versions), then no.

[big_adventure]

Could Magneto use the shield to beat the crap out of the Avengers?

Assuming he moves it as sufficient speeds.

Or uses Wolverine as a human knife?

The shield, sure, but only if the Avengers just stood there and let it happen. Movie Mags has the problem of not having shields, so he's as glassy as Chaz and Scott.

[FrenchGemini]

Wondering something: at the bell, Fassneto decides, instead/on top of freezing Tony and Rhodey, to freeze Thor's arms by manipulating his scalemail (for the sake of the argument, just assume that the scalemail is made of a metal vulnerable to Magneto's powers). Which one wins, Thor's raw strength, or Fassneto's power?

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

Wondering something: at the bell, Fassneto decides, instead/on top of freezing Tony and Rhodey, to freeze Thor's arms by manipulating his scalemail (for the sake of the argument, just assume that the scalemail is made of a metal vulnerable to Magneto's powers). Which one wins, Thor's raw strength, or Fassneto's power?

Fassneto. He moved the Golden Gate (older self did) and moved an entire stadium + half a dozen large robots.

Pretty sure he's got more physical oomph than Thor does.

[big_adventure]

Fassneto. He moved the Golden Gate (older self did) and moved an entire stadium + half a dozen large robots.

Pretty sure he's got more physical oomph than Thor does.

The problem there becomes the strength of the metal itself, and I don't think Thor's armor is necessarily tougher than he is.

[Primetime Harder]

The problem there becomes the strength of the metal itself, and I don't think Thor's armor is necessarily tougher than he is.

Simply locking the metal in place is so...simplistic, don't you think? All those scales look like they'd be mighty painful if someone were to turn them all inward and start twisting them around.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Simply locking the metal in place is so...simplistic, don't you think? All those scales look like they'd be mighty painful if someone were to turn them all inward and start twisting them around.

Unless the guy's skin is more durable than said armor. In which case, you've just ruined metal.

[AdvanceBushido]

Simply locking the metal in place is so...simplistic, don't you think? All those scales look like they'd be mighty painful if someone were to turn them all inward and start twisting them around.

I don't think the strength of the metal has anything to do with it. Magneto was able to take a piece of metal that probably weighs about .4 gr or .1 Oz and drag Mystique.

Then he used the train rails and change the entire structure of it when he put it in the Sentinels.

[big_adventure]

I don't think the strength of the metal has anything to do with it. Magneto was able to take a piece of metal that probably weighs about .4 gr or .1 Oz and drag Mystique.

Then he used the train rails and change the entire structure of it when he put it in the Sentinels.

But that metal was much tougher than Mystique, who is as durable as a person. Thor's armor is totally featless, and he has plenty of feats for being much tougher than normal metals.

[Blackid]

But that metal was much tougher than Mystique, who is as durable as a person. Thor's armor is totally featless, and he has plenty of feats for being much tougher than normal metals.

However, the Incredibles really helps break down how costumes are made.... if a costume was weaker than the hero they would be naked by the end of battle. The assumption is that the material at least slightly assists with damage protection. If it was weaker than Thor or any other character there would be a bunch of Dr Manhattans running around saving the day...

So it should at least be an irritant if the chainmail made from Asguardian materials constricts him or something else.

[Lax]

Takes place in the Khazan arena.

Bloodlust on.

X-Men

Wolverine
Magneto (Michael Fassbender)
Quicksilver
Beast
Warpath
Iceman
Kitty Pryde
Blink
Sunspot
Bishop
Xavier (James McAvoy)

Avengers

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
War Machine
Falcon
Black Widow
Hulk
Hawkeye

Who Wins?

Alright, finally saw the movie and I can say the X-Men stomp.

It's not even close. 10/10

[big_adventure]

However, the Incredibles really helps break down how costumes are made.... if a costume was weaker than the hero they would be naked by the end of battle. The assumption is that the material at least slightly assists with damage protection. If it was weaker than Thor or any other character there would be a bunch of Dr Manhattans running around saving the day...

So it should at least be an irritant if the chainmail made from Asguardian materials constricts him or something else.

We go by feats...