O'k here's the gist of ANXM #40...
Jeen didn't intentionally read Bobby's mind.
ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]
BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]
ICEMAN [Robert ‘Bobby’ Drake]
KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]
KAROLINA DEAN / LIGHTSPEED [Julie Powers]
LIVING LIGHTNING [Miguel Santos]
THE 'MIGHTY' DESTROYER [Roger Aubrey]
MISS AMERICA CHAVEZ
MORPH [Benjamin Deeds]
NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]
POD [Aikku Jokinen]
RAWHIDE KID [Johnny Clay]
WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan] / HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]
OR… resurrect FREEDOM RING [Curtis Doyle] and give it to him
OR… out MONICA RAMBEAU and give it to her
O'k here's the gist of ANXM #40...
Jeen didn't intentionally read Bobby's mind.
Still rather intrusive of Jean.
As an additional note, her first story ended with her absorbing her own brother. This has never been followed up on. At all. He was really never even mentioned again. So a Karma series could also use that. Have him manipulating her from the inside to make her do bad things and eventually bring him back. It would be even more psychological thriller stuff - in addition to Karma questioning her subduing the identities of others, she'd also be dealing with occasional lapses of her own identity, adding some symmetry.
I'm glad to see that someone remembers Freedom Ring, I wish that Marvel would bring him back. There was a lot of controversy when Marvel killed him. GayComicGeek did a great analysis on the character: https://youtu.be/PL21WJXruNQ
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Because she as a telepath can hear the careless surface thoughts of others? That's like a judge throwing out evidence in a capital murder case simply because the lead witness (your house guest) looking to use your phone accidentally overhears you admitting to murder after picking up the phone receiver in your home.
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That's an awesome pitch for a series!
HA! I am cruel; but I hate multiple choice (too many just pick everything, or close too). I find a "pick one" makes the true victor clearer.
You know, that is my fault; I thought they were bi. Apologies
Good idea.
I WANT: Wiccan / Hulkling or Morph
MOST LIKELY: Iceman or MAC
I'm not sure that's true; Wiccan is still dominating the LGBT favourite character poll (created post-MAC in Young Avengers). In the last 6 months he's stayed the undisputed champ, which wouldn't happen if everyone was fleeing to MAC
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Sooooo true; I really want this explored more.
I can't speak for others, but to me MAC is like old-school Rogue. She can fly, she's super strong and she's not interested in playing nice BUT when you earn her respect, you'll have her loyalty for life. Her costume is awesome, she can travel through dimensions (extra surprise) AND she's from a land of princesses. That's Disney epicness 101!! She ticks all the boxes.
Herc's bi, not gay (and he's had a solo series post-outing, not that you'd know he was bi in that series, since it never mentioned it; as per the majority of Marvel LGBT on-going).
I've broken my "only Marvel" rule recently, and picked up Midnighter from DC. If Marvel refuse to give us a gay on-going, it's possibly time we started looking elsewhere.
Agreed. His omega level makes him workable as a solo star (ditto Wiccan); and he's got so much potential with characters. Who would you have as his enemies? His allies? Supporting cast?
"We are Shakespeare. We are Michelangelo. We are Tchaikovsky. We are Turing. We are Mercury. We are Wilde. We are Lincoln, Lorca, Leonardo da Vinci. We are Alexander the Great. We are Fredrick the Great. We are Rustin. We are Addams. We are Marsha! Marsha Marsha Marsha! We so generous, we DeGeneres. We are Ziggy Stardust hooked to the silver screen. Controversially we are Malcolm X. We are Plato. We are Aristotle. We are RuPaul, god dammit! And yes, we are Woolf."
No, she really didn't. They threw her into a rushed marriage with T'Challa and then spent that entire book undermining her (and everyone else) in order to make T'Challa look cool. She got to be an Avenger for like five minutes and did nothing of note during her stint on the team. Her tenure on the F4 was little better.
These are lip-service things, but nothing even close to substantial.
Billy is one of my favorite characters, but he really doesn't need a solo. Well, nobody needs a solo but I'd be more interested in reading Ms. America's. She's a relatively unexplored character who we still don't know very well, whereas Billy monopolized the last Young Avengers series and the Children's Crusade as well.
I enjoy them both but given the choice between then I'll go with America because I'm more interested in what's yet to be done with her.
Yeah, I hadn't even considered that angle. There's a lot to mine in Karma's abilities and backstory. She's just loaded with potential.
To bring it back to sexuality angle, I think there's all sorts of interesting questions about Karma's lovelife, too. Not regarding Karma's sexuality, but how do you have a relationship with someone who can take your will from you? Do you trust them implicitly, or is there a part of you that wonders if they are influencing your feelings? Does this make Karma feel lonely-- something I always felt was an aspect of her character-- or misunderstood? Can she have an equal partner? What if Karma needs to possess her lover to save her from harm? Does that cross a line in the relationship, or have they developed a contingency plan (thinking last week's Midnighter 1 here)? Can a relationship come back from that?
Like I said, from a psychological and philosophical point of view, Karma is an absolutely fascinating character, and in my opinion, the most interesting character on the list to build a series around. It wouldn't be a series for everyone, but it would definitely be a series worth reading.
I'm curious: what did you think of it? I've followed the character for years, and I thought it was an excellent first issue and probably the best thing done with the character since the original Authority ongoing. (It also felt like a great '80s indie action comic like Grimjack or Grendel: Devil's Legacy, which is a good thing, in my opinion.) I'm wondering how a reader experiencing the character for the first time feels about it, though?
I give the credit to that wild year when Claremont was joined by Sienkiewicz on New Mutants. The crazy Demon Bear story, then the crazy Legion story, the Beyonder killing the whole team and resurrecting them-- those stories scared the crap out of me as a kid. I've always viewed those character through a weird psychological lens (and kind of a horror one, too), and I've been disappointed when so few creators go down that route. I mean, Karma, Dani Moonstar, Magik-- those characters have crazy backgrounds filled with wild ideas all condusive to radical interpretations and daring art.
I would definitely bring his family back into the mix as supporting characters. Him coming out to his parents, especially his dad, is an opportunity for ethos that will happen sooner than later regardless of whether or not he gets a solo post-SW. Seeing how regressive his father his, I wouldn't be surprised if that man is closeted as well, like Chris Cooper's character from American Beauty. If Bobby helps Drake Sr. come to terms with that and help him accept himself, it would be incredibly deep and a first for superhero comics.
Regading mutant allies, I wouldn't mind if they use Teen Jean (girl sells comics), some of the New X-Men like Pixie, Trance, Indra, Bling! or No-Girl, or new characters altogether. We don't see platonic friendships between gay characters often in superhero comics so we could see Anole as a BFF. The rest of the O5 could be semi regulars. Stevie Hunter would be a cool non-mutant ally that they could use.
I guess the villains should reflect the themes of the series. A young gay mutant exploring and experiencing his world and new outlook on life needs bigots like the Purifiers and William Stryker for conflict.
I was trying to do too much and not doing any of it as well as I could. But I've had a change of mind... though not everyone shall enjoy it. I will.
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