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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    Dick Grayson is the worst character to hold the Robin Mantle.
    You think so? On what grounds? I don't share your opinion but would love for you to elaborate on it a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    It's part of his public image as Bruce Wayne, and an aspect of why he can go without being in his private office for days at a time. It gives people a reason to expect that finding him in person won't work.
    The same effect could be achieved if he had a more public façade in regards to Wayne Enterprises. The meetings and attention that would require would be enough and all he'd really have to do what be to install some figurehead in his place.

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    In the 1997 film, Alicia Silverstone's Barbara hardly talks to Bruce, which is symbolic, and makes for a great Batfamily dynamic throughout the movie; the two only speak at the beginning of Barbara's stay and the end of the movie, which is on purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by trokanmariel33 View Post
    In the 1997 film, Alicia Silverstone's Barbara hardly talks to Bruce, which is symbolic, and makes for a great Batfamily dynamic throughout the movie; the two only speak at the beginning of Barbara's stay and the end of the movie, which is on purpose
    didn't know this. Symbolic of what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    didn't know this. Symbolic of what?

    Technically, I made a mistake; Barbara talks to Batman in the third act, before Batman reverts back to being Bruce at the very end.

    In terms of your question, I would say that the symbolism is the mechanism in which death throughout the film supports the universe. Not the universe of the film, but the universe of actuality.

    To be more general, though no more important, as death even in its supernatural status is still death, I think the answer lies in the comparison between Batman & Robin and the Nolan trilogy; in the Nolan trilogy, answers are the nuts and bolts of the story, which means anyone is capable of anything, symbolised by Heath Ledger's Joker's chaos and anarchy. In Batman & Robin, presentation by all (the supernatural inclusion) means that while answers are defunct, part of the presentation is avoidance.

    As humane as Batman & Robin is, its true genius is to know that certain details of existence can't be told, as in the master of existence (Bruce Wayne) knows that they must withhold certain details from all else.
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    Batfam is too big and they all don't need solo/team up books. Batgirl solo should be dropped in favor of her being a main side character in Batman.Birds of Prey should be the dominant team up book (Babs, Dinah and Helena). Nightwing should be in his own editorial or a part of Titans/Justice league editorial because he needs to be developed outside far away from batfam. Jason Todd should be a re-occurring anti-hero and sometimes antagonist in Nightwing solo to contrast how they both approach vigilantism. Tim Drake and Damian should be robins and that should be a major source of conflict and the reason Tim becomes Red Robin. Nightwing should only show up in Detective Comics or in minimal cross over events. Both Dick and Babs need to stop being forced together and be with new love interests who are actually compatible with them. Cass, Stephanie, Duke, Harper should only really show up in Detective Comics and Birds of Prey when needed. They are side characters with little to no impact overall.

    Nightwing solo should be focused on developing Dick outside bat family. IT should establish his rogues' gallery, permanent side characters and permanent love interest (basically, GIVE MY BOY THE FLASH TREATMENT THANKS). And they should all be non-batfam related (sans the villains because you know). Court of Owls (Talon) and Deathstroke should be Nightwing recurring villains/nemsis and not just general batfamily villains. Dick Grayson shouldnt be happy-go-lucky or sunshine and rainbows. Dick needs to be more nuanced and have really close attachments to people he loves. Nightwing shouldn't be fighting over his status for robin or wanting to be like batman. In fact, Dick should only be batman when the scenario is absolutely necessary to do so. Dick should Nightwing 100% of the time. The heir to the cowl should either be Damian or Tim. Nightwing should be Gotham adjacent and be working towards re-evaluating Batman's teachings.

    Babs should shed her Batgirl image and fully become Oracle, acting as the Felcity Smoak to Batman's Ollie. She should be grown, mature and career driven. She needs to be in an adult/mature atmosphere. Hipster Babs doesnt work because it completely ruins her development and also she is basically acting like Stephanie now. Babs and Luke should have had a longer, more established relationship. DickxBabs should move on from one another and become more like sister/brother. Give babs more status as being Batman's right hand girl and his eyes and ears everywhere.

    ALL THE ROBINS NEED TO SHOW SOME SORT OF REACTION TO THEIR TRAUMA! Dick was raped twice, Jason was murdered and revived by some crazy lady who used him, Damian died, and Tim was also beaten and turned in the Joker and killed innocent people. There is no reason why these are not part of character growths. It's incredibly sensitive to have them go through this and never address it again or act like it wasn't a big deal. Dick Grayson especially should be super affected by what happened to him due to the fact that he has always been an emotional guy who just hides it very well until he snaps. The fact that DC likes to traumatize the robins for fun doesnt sit well with me. Either make it a big part of their story/development or dont do it at all.

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    Catwoman #36 Harley Quinn's portrayal in this book in possibly the worst I have ever seen her written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    Tim was also beaten and turned in the Joker and killed innocent people.
    That never happened in the main continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    His playboy rep made the government not trust him to rebuild Gotham and resulted in it being condemned as No Man's Land
    That seems like they did that just to give it a reason for existing. They probably could have come up with any number of reasons to not trust him.

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    I have to ask. Is anyone else getting tired of how many events Batman has been having ? I mean soon or later this will harm him. It also causes characters like Nightwing to be more in sidekick role when he was mad Be his own character. If anything if they wanted Nightwing to be that might has well destroy Bludhaven


    Events are made to feel like they have an impact and they do in the Batfam but when you have so many it feels like they don't get to have has much of an impact. And sometimes they feel like they don't have have has much

    I feel like this is why Nightwing will be in Batfam and not treated has separate they want him in events and I'm Batfam because they know Batman and Batfam fans will buy him. Nightwing sales go down slowly then quick
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    I have to ask. Is anyone else getting tired of how many events Batman has been having ? I mean soon or later this will harm him.
    But they sell (for now), no matter how much people here may complain / whine.
    We're just a part of the overall possible readership.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    It also causes characters like Nightwing to be more in sidekick role when he was mad Be his own character. If anything if they wanted Nightwing to be that might has well destroy Bludhaven
    Been there . . . done that.

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    Nightwing is a low totem now that he breaks even but here Harley is the fourth pillar. Nightwing should be more pushed. If they can have someone to do with NTT. They can get someone to do it again if they pushed Batfam but Titans has well

    They can have their events but a Nightwing book separate for the events makes sense because many people leave. And that doesn't help Nightwing if he is suppose to be independent form Batman he shouldn't always be in all the events or be outshine. Babs feels more like important and what Tom said feels more like Batfam is more the main characters. He will do anything for Babs. He would do anything for many of his friends
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    . . . They can have their events but a Nightwing book separate for the events makes sense because many people leave. And that doesn't help Nightwing if he is suppose to be independent form Batman he shouldn't always be in all the events or be outshine . . .
    But do more people buy the main Batman book as opposed to the people who buy just Nightwing?

    If there are more people buying Batman and/or Detective Comics over Nightwing, then including the Nightwing book in the crossover may increase sales / exposure for Nightwing.

    And shouldn't Dick be included in these events? He was the reason we have a "Batman Family" in the first place since Dick was his first partner.
    (The only Bat-character still around these days that historically appeared prior to Dick was Jim Gordon.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    But do more people buy the main Batman book as opposed to the people who buy just Nightwing?

    If there are more people buying Batman and/or Detective Comics over Nightwing, then including the Nightwing book in the crossover may increase sales / exposure for Nightwing.

    And shouldn't Dick be included in these events? He was the reason we have a "Batman Family" in the first place since Dick was his first partner.
    (The only Bat-character still around these days that historically appeared prior to Dick was Jim Gordon.)
    That’s exactly what DC does with Nightwing and why his sales are always consistent. Lol without Batman Nightwing doesn’t have enough going on to stand on his own (no this doesn’t mean Nightwing needs batfam).. The fact that DC hasn’t really invested in building up his own world speaks volumes. Nightwings problem is that his mythos are almost non existent and I don’t think a writer or editor out there is truely willing to sit down and spent 3-4 years solely on building up Nightwing as independent from Batman with his own world. I guess we will see. But until that happens, it’s batfam for Nightwing!

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    Jason Todd and Tim Drake should retire from the spandex. Let them have a life and be happy.

    Cassandra should be Batwoman and Stephanie should be Batgirl. Barba could mentor them as Oracle.

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