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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentonis View Post
    I'm beginning to fall out of love with the concept of the batfamily myself. It's become increasingly obvious that they aren't a team of equally respected heroes like the JL or Titans, but instead just Batman's cabal of disposable sidekicks, that can be fed to whatever villain of the month for easy drama.
    But that's not a problem of the concept. It's a problem of what they do with it in the actual Batman book.
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    That the Batam need to be less characters. It's just they keep growing the characters but sometimes the main cast suffers more.
    I'm kinda in the same boat. I don't want lose any of the characters I like, but I don't think they manage/balance the characters well, and don't want any new characters added because TPTB will diminish the ones already there. I haven't read very much New 52, so I'm willing to discard all those characters, as I don't know them, but of course, people who do like them won't feel that way. Huntress and Batwoman are fine to me, but should be outside the Batfam (especially Huntress). Read very little of Jeal Paul and not interested. But at least not creating new characters seems a safe bet - not one will be upset their character is neglected if the character is never created in the first place. Actually, regarding N52 characters, I wouldn't mind keeping Duke, but would prefer him be like I like Huntress and Batwoman and not much work with Batman.

    I'm beginning to fall out of love with the concept of the batfamily myself. It's become increasingly obvious that they aren't a team of equally respected heroes like the JL or Titans, but instead just Batman's cabal of disposable sidekicks
    Yep. And what makes it so much worse for me is that it's not just DC's attitude, but that Bruce seems to value them so lightly - maybe not their lives/deaths, but in terms of respect and caring about their happiness, etc.

    I liked Tim better back when he had a dad and stepmom and civilian friends and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana500 View Post
    For me its Tim Drake. I'm not quite sure why. I just cannot for the life of me find his character interesting like the rest of the Batfamily. [...]
    For me it's Dick Grayson. I just can't bring myself to like him.
    Although I don't hope that he slips on a banana peel and breaks his neck.
    Everyone should be allowed to enjoy their favorite characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    Yep. And what makes it so much worse for me is that it's not just DC's attitude, but that Bruce seems to value them so lightly - maybe not their lives/deaths, but in terms of respect and caring about their happiness, etc.
    For me, the Batfamily is pretty much what we're shown in the Batcave in "Death of the Family": Bruce, Dick, Jason, Tim, Damian, Barbara, and Alfred. I'd guess that most of the writers and many of the readers feel the same way and this is given expression in the Joker's selection of victims. The Joker has more than once been employed as a Mary Sue-ish mouthpiece.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    I liked Tim better back when he had a dad and stepmom and civilian friends and so forth.
    Yes. I wish they'd stuck to Wolfman's original idea of Tim.

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    I feel like the best way is to keep major character and the rest of the new characters should be expand family. We see them but not has often That maybe some of them are in the TT or other groups and return to the Batfam if they are very serious. I mean Batwing? I feel there really is no reason for them to always appear.

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    The issue isnt Batman its comics in general. For the family to work you need growth and only two characters have had any substantial growth.

    Dick - Done when you could feasibly make big changes and have them stick.
    Jason - Was a footnote for 30 odd years so when he came back he HAD to be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    I'm kinda in the same boat. I don't want lose any of the characters I like, but I don't think they manage/balance the characters well, and don't want any new characters added because TPTB will diminish the ones already there. I haven't read very much New 52, so I'm willing to discard all those characters, as I don't know them, but of course, people who do like them won't feel that way. Huntress and Batwoman are fine to me, but should be outside the Batfam (especially Huntress). Read very little of Jeal Paul and not interested. But at least not creating new characters seems a safe bet - not one will be upset their character is neglected if the character is never created in the first place. Actually, regarding N52 characters, I wouldn't mind keeping Duke, but would prefer him be like I like Huntress and Batwoman and not much work with Batman.
    I think about 10 the max of what the writers could handle and the franchise can support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    I think about 10 the max of what the writers could handle and the franchise can support.
    Man... they don't even let the Justice League get past 7 very often.... I really don't like 'Batman' books to be full legitimate 'Team' books. Just not enough spotlight to go around. A partner or two maybe... but either someone's getting too much attention... or someone else is pushed off and forgotten about completely... Not a lot of middle ground here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Man... they don't even let the Justice League get past 7 very often.... I really don't like 'Batman' books to be full legitimate 'Team' books. Just not enough spotlight to go around. A partner or two maybe... but either someone's getting too much attention... or someone else is pushed off and forgotten about completely... Not a lot of middle ground here.
    Yeap so please move nightwing to another office please. There's no room in the bat office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderNight View Post
    Yeap so please move nightwing to another office please. There's no room in the bat office.
    What other office would take him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergard View Post
    For me it's Dick Grayson. I just can't bring myself to like him.
    Although I don't hope that he slips on a banana peel and breaks his neck.
    Everyone should be allowed to enjoy their favorite characters.
    It didn't involve a banana but he already broke his neck XD

    Wait let me count the Batfam members again, starting with the ones with costume
    1. Bruce
    2. Dick
    3. Selina
    4. Jason
    5. Tim
    6. Steph
    7. Cass
    8. Helena
    9. Duke
    10. Luke
    11. Jean-Paul
    12. Kate
    13. Bette
    Then the ones not in costume but close enough proximity to be recurring
    14. Alfred
    15. Gordon
    16. Lucius
    17. Leslie
    Then the ones in or out of costume but inactive
    18. Harper
    19. Harold Alnut
    Then the extended family
    20. Cullen Row
    21. Tamara Fox
    22. Tiffany Fox
    23. Lucius' wife
    24. Duke's... brother?
    25. Duke's parents
    Then the ones who died but once has been a supporting cast
    26. Tim's parents
    More of the forgotten ones
    27. Kathy Kane
    28. Onyx
    29. Sasha Bordeaux (I think she's in Wonder Woman now)
    30. Misfit? Or does she count as Birds of Prey supporting cast?
    Became Enemy
    31. Gotham Girl
    32. Holly Robinson
    Another one I forgot if you wanna count her
    33. Kitrina Falcone (Catgirl)
    Might as well since he's in the Batman Family book in the 70s
    34. Kirk Langstrom
    and his family, a wife and two kids

    Accidentally deleted
    35. Babs
    36. Damian
    Last edited by Restingvoice; 12-12-2019 at 04:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    It didn't involve a banana but he already broke his neck XD

    Wait let me count the Batfam members again, starting with the ones with costume
    1. Bruce
    2. Dick
    3. Selina
    4. Jason
    5. Tim
    6. Steph
    7. Cass
    8. Helena
    9. Duke
    10. Luke
    11. Jean-Paul
    12. Kate
    13. Bette
    Then the ones not in costume but close enough proximity to be recurring
    14. Alfred
    15. Gordon
    16. Lucius
    17. Leslie
    Then the ones in or out of costume but inactive
    18. Harper
    19. Harold Alnut
    Then the extended family
    20. Cullen Row
    21. Tamara Fox
    22. Tiffany Fox
    23. Lucius' wife
    24. Duke's... brother?
    25. Duke's parents
    Then the ones who died but once has been a supporting cast
    26. Tim's parents
    More of the forgotten ones
    27. Kathy Kane
    28. Onyx
    29. Sasha Bordeaux (I think she's in Wonder Woman now)
    30. Misfit? Or does she count as Birds of Prey supporting cast?
    Became Enemy
    31. Gotham Girl
    32. Holly Robinson
    Another one I forgot if you wanna count her
    33. Kitrina Falcone (Catgirl)
    Might as well since he's in the Batman Family book in the 70s
    34. Kirk Langstrom
    and his family, a wife and two kids
    There's also Babs and Damian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBird View Post
    There's also Babs and Damian.
    Oh, I deleted them? That was my second list. My first one includes Babs and Dami but I included everyone so the second one I categorize them better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    It didn't involve a banana but he already broke his neck XD

    Wait let me count the Batfam members again, starting with the ones with costume
    1. Bruce
    2. Dick
    3. Selina
    4. Jason
    5. Tim
    6. Steph
    7. Cass
    8. Helena
    9. Duke
    10. Luke
    11. Jean-Paul
    12. Kate
    13. Bette
    Then the ones not in costume but close enough proximity to be recurring
    14. Alfred
    15. Gordon
    16. Lucius
    17. Leslie
    Then the ones in or out of costume but inactive
    18. Harper
    19. Harold Alnut
    Then the extended family
    20. Cullen Row
    21. Tamara Fox
    22. Tiffany Fox
    23. Lucius' wife
    24. Duke's... brother?
    25. Duke's parents
    Then the ones who died but once has been a supporting cast
    26. Tim's parents
    More of the forgotten ones
    27. Kathy Kane
    28. Onyx
    29. Sasha Bordeaux (I think she's in Wonder Woman now)
    30. Misfit? Or does she count as Birds of Prey supporting cast?
    Became Enemy
    31. Gotham Girl
    32. Holly Robinson
    Another one I forgot if you wanna count her
    33. Kitrina Falcone (Catgirl)
    Might as well since he's in the Batman Family book in the 70s
    34. Kirk Langstrom
    and his family, a wife and two kids

    Accidentally deleted
    35. Babs
    36. Damian
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    Man... they don't even let the Justice League get past 7 very often.... I really don't like 'Batman' books to be full legitimate 'Team' books. Just not enough spotlight to go around. A partner or two maybe... but either someone's getting too much attention... or someone else is pushed off and forgotten about completely... Not a lot of middle ground here.
    In the late 90s early 2000s, they had the following members running around in costume, and back then it worked quite good:
    1. Bruce
    2. Dick
    3. Tim
    4. Barbara
    5. Cass
    6. Steph
    7. Selina
    8. Helena
    9. Jean-Paul

    So I think that's about the maximum you could do. Of course it is easier with less, and I'm not sure if the current writers could handle that many characters.

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