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    I think Joker needs to be toned down a little in the comics.

    I also miss him being a recurring villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I want a live-action Batman movie that's true to the character and mythos, while still being more family-friendly then the DCEU or Nolan Batman, without being as necessarily campy as Batman and Robin/Batman '66.

    Also, I'd watch a CW Batman show .
    That's what I want for Christmas, I want a very true to the character live-action series.

    I wouldn't want Batman on the CW but I would take whatever we get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    And it is imo still not the worst thing they did with him
    No, c`mon it is.

    A few of the takes that were bad could be easily reversed or tampered. A porn hentai monster is something you just need to pretend it never happened and burned it off your mind.

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    They shouldn't have brought Stephanie Brown or Cassandra Cain back. They brought them back just to bring them back, but they have done nothing and serve no actual purpose. They just further clutter an already cluttered Bat family, and quite frankly they just haven't been very good. Stephanie has become depressing, angsty, and super smart, losing her former appeal, and Cass is as boring as ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta96 View Post
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    I wouldn't care for a more family friendly Batman film, the Nolan films were family friendly enough. But one with a proper family of heroes is almost necessary to make it stand out from the other films, especially the Nolan films which seemed embarrassed by Batman's supporting cast.

    I hope Robin and Nightwing are in it, and while I'm not a fan of overcrowding it would be nice to see one of the Batgirls too. I think it would be a great opportunity to introduce these heroes and develop them over time into new roles and identities. Cause by now "Batman vs the villain, Catwoman may show up" is pretty overdone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    No, c`mon it is.

    A few of the takes that were bad could be easily reversed or tampered. A porn hentai monster is something you just need to pretend it never happened and burned it off your mind.
    I take the tentakle monster over, everything post Countdown. And seriously the tentakle monster is not worse than some of the stuff Bruce was transformed in during the silver age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    They shouldn't have brought Stephanie Brown or Cassandra Cain back. They brought them back just to bring them back, but they have done nothing and serve no actual purpose. They just further clutter an already cluttered Bat family, and quite frankly they just haven't been very good. Stephanie has become depressing, angsty, and super smart, losing her former appeal, and Cass is as boring as ever.
    They could be written better than they are. It's up to their fans to communicate with DC and make their wishes known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oasis1313 View Post
    They could be written better than they are. It's up to their fans to communicate with DC and make their wishes known.
    This is where it becomes tricky, though, because fans of what? Godlike13 isn't a fan of Cass. So, should DC listen to them or someone who is? Or, neither, and just go with what seems like a good pitch down the line?

    Honestly, I've been enjoying Cass and Steph in Detective, and I enjoyed their pseudo-resurrection and goodbye during Convergence, too.

    DC can't please everyone all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t hedge coke View Post
    This is where it becomes tricky, though, because fans of what? Godlike13 isn't a fan of Cass. So, should DC listen to them or someone who is? Or, neither, and just go with what seems like a good pitch down the line?

    Honestly, I've been enjoying Cass and Steph in Detective, and I enjoyed their pseudo-resurrection and goodbye during Convergence, too.

    DC can't please everyone all the time.
    I'm a fan of Steph or atleast was when she was Batgirl. The current version bears no resemblance to that character and frankly just exists for the sake of existing and Cass similarly shows up for Kung Fu poses. That and hugging Harper seems to be their primary aim in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    I'm a fan of Steph or atleast was when she was Batgirl. The current version bears no resemblance to that character and frankly just exists for the sake of existing and Cass similarly shows up for Kung Fu poses. That and hugging Harper seems to be their primary aim in life.
    I think the issue with those 2 is that they've been gone so long that they needed a better chance to be reestablished than a team book with a million characters. Yeah there was the Eternals but those weren't very good. Steph's arc in Tec wouldn't be out of place for her character, but we haven't seen enough of her being good old Steph for it to feel satisfying. I'm not super familiar with Cass and her arc hasn't happened yet so I'll hold off on her.

    So yeah, I think these characters still have a role to fill in the books. Not as much as they would if they weren't crowded with NOBODIES, but still. DC just doesn't understand that even when a character has been around a while, they still need a lot of care and attention to stay relevant. You can't just drop them in a single book with a decent writer and expect them to fulfill their potential, or for their fans to be satisfied. This is why I keep harping on the bloated Bat-Family, it hurts everyone but it hurts the struggling characters the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    I'm a fan of Steph or atleast was when she was Batgirl. The current version bears no resemblance to that character and frankly just exists for the sake of existing and Cass similarly shows up for Kung Fu poses. That and hugging Harper seems to be their primary aim in life.
    Hey! Steph hugged Batman, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta96 View Post
    I think the issue with those 2 is that they've been gone so long that they needed a better chance to be reestablished than a team book with a million characters. Yeah there was the Eternals but those weren't very good. Steph's arc in Tec wouldn't be out of place for her character, but we haven't seen enough of her being good old Steph for it to feel satisfying. I'm not super familiar with Cass and her arc hasn't happened yet so I'll hold off on her.

    So yeah, I think these characters still have a role to fill in the books. Not as much as they would if they weren't crowded with NOBODIES, but still. DC just doesn't understand that even when a character has been around a while, they still need a lot of care and attention to stay relevant. You can't just drop them in a single book with a decent writer and expect them to fulfill their potential, or for their fans to be satisfied. This is why I keep harping on the bloated Bat-Family, it hurts everyone but it hurts the struggling characters the most.
    Isn't Steph leaving? and it's not just about the number of characters involved. It's about having an arc, Steph's arcs are just being repeated, same goes for Cass. We've already seen a story where Shiva was revealed to be Cassandra's mother so why is it a BOMBSHELL to be getting the same story all over again? why not just reintroduce their previous lives and essentially continue where they left off? it's what DC is doing with Superman and largely the same thing they're doing with Deathstroke. All they've done with Cass and Steph is use the same pool of storylines and reproduce them and so far each new version is inferior to what came before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Isn't Steph leaving? and it's not just about the number of characters involved. It's about having an arc, Steph's arcs are just being repeated, same goes for Cass. We've already seen a story where Shiva was revealed to be Cassandra's mother so why is it a BOMBSHELL to be getting the same story all over again? why not just reintroduce their previous lives and essentially continue where they left off? it's what DC is doing with Superman and largely the same thing they're doing with Deathstroke. All they've done with Cass and Steph is use the same pool of storylines and reproduce them and so far each new version is inferior to what came before.
    Steph seems to be leaving the team, at least until #950, but Tynion has said he has big plans for her, so hopefully she'll be a guest like Harper is - and a regular one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    We've already seen a story where Shiva was revealed to be Cassandra's mother so why is it a BOMBSHELL to be getting the same story all over again?
    Because maybe it might actually be a bombshell? We don't actually know if Shiva is still Cass's mom, after all, we just assume so because that's how it was before. And with as coy as DC is being with it, it does make me wonder if she's actually not. Or at least, Shiva herself doesn't know she is and someone else thinks she's Cass's mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Isn't Steph leaving? and it's not just about the number of characters involved. It's about having an arc, Steph's arcs are just being repeated, same goes for Cass. We've already seen a story where Shiva was revealed to be Cassandra's mother so why is it a BOMBSHELL to be getting the same story all over again? why not just reintroduce their previous lives and essentially continue where they left off? it's what DC is doing with Superman and largely the same thing they're doing with Deathstroke. All they've done with Cass and Steph is use the same pool of storylines and reproduce them and so far each new version is inferior to what came before.
    I dunno, it's still too soon to tell whether or not they're going to repeat the same old crap with them. I'm still more concerned about panel time and D.C. placing actual value in their characters. But we all know what their priorities are at the moment so, I won't get my hopes up yet.

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