«Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])
Obviously I agree with everything SiegePerilous02 wrote.
I can add only a thing, a consideration I made just few days ago: during Knightfall we saw Azrael become Batman, kick everybody out of the Batcave, use the batrangs like they were shuriken, became more and more reckless, violent, disrespectful toward the law and the people and in the end we saw Bruce Wayne fight Azrael because he wasn't worthy to be Batman. Then how Batman started to act after Knightfall? He kicked everybody out of the Batcave (during Murderer/Fugitive), he used the batrangs like they were shuriken, he became more and more reckless, violent, disrespectful toward the law and the people; it is like the body of Bruce Wayne is possessed by Azrael, namely by the person who was everything Batman had sweared not to be.
Last edited by Gotham citizen; 02-23-2020 at 09:17 AM.
«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
Bruce was acting like an unlikable jackass before Azrael came along (especially after Jason's death). The reason Az was created was so writers could have their cake and eat it too by writing a Batman was a destructive antihero without it being Wayne. Unfortunately, Azrael did what writers wouldn't let Bruce and grew out of his toxic personality traits so Bruce went back to being an intolerable *******.
There's definitely some truth to that. Can't say about Azrael, since I've never really followed him and only saw him occasionally. But Bruce was a complete jerk to a lot of people in early post-COIE (including with the changed set up of how Dick became Nightwing and how Jason became Robin). He was better, it seemed, in the early to mid-90s (I've heard it said that some of pre-COIE Batman's personality stayed around until the mid-90s). At least he still had some good stuff in Batbooks. But by '99, he was on a downward slide again and it just got worse. Not saying there were never any good moments, but somewhere around that era (definitely by No Man's Land), he crossed the line to me and became a character that I tend to default to negative on and see more of the bad in his actions than the good in regards to his relationships with others.
I think you have completely missed my point: I haven't written before Knightfall he was good, after he was bad, I have simply made a comparison between a story where Bruce Wayne (more or less) acted like the hero he was meant to be (some of his actions are questionable) and how acted after that story.
Moreover I said I agree with what SeigePerilous02 wrote:
Which is basically in agreement with what you wrote.
Last edited by Gotham citizen; 02-23-2020 at 10:27 AM.
«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
That's the Snyder/Capullo Black Label book right?
Because all the power to it. I'll take what I can get at this point to get the real Bruce back.
F*** it, I was joking but I wouldn't be bothered by essentially doing a Clone Saga on Batman, but without the backtracking and have the returned Bruce be the real deal.
Yep. Though I'm not sure it's the "real Bruce" per your definition in it. It was awesome as a Mad Max look at the DC universe, but I think the plot failed to materialise, and that exposed the holes in the worldbuilding. Imagery and mood were off the charts however, especially in the first two issues.
«Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])
«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
I'm fine with that: I was an X-men reader...
«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.