I don't think there needs to be more than 5-6 costumed members excluding Batman in the bat family at any given time.
I don't think there needs to be more than 5-6 costumed members excluding Batman in the bat family at any given time.
Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson relationship should primarily function based on a sibling dynamic. The father/son vibe could still be there but is should be something that both characters don't really let on to the public and rarely address it as such. Dick and Bruce should be the younger and older brother that don't really admit they have a father/son connection.
Like Obi Wan and Anakin?
Duke received a crazy push this year by Snyder, both because he's Snyder's creation and all the metal/death metal books were lead by Snyder, and because of the BLM (Snyder said on interviews he plans to push towards more diversity).
But Snyder more or less left DC, for now, the outsiders couldn't hold an ongoing and are now relegated to Urban Legends, and Duke's one-shot wasn't well received.
He is planned to appear in Dark knights of steel this year, but other than that it doesn't look too optimistic. Or am I missing something?
Well, Anakin pretty explicitly sees their dynamic as father/son:
Which is fair, considering Obi-Wan did raise him. Similarly to Bruce and Dick, now that you mention.Obi-Wan:
Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?
Anakin:
Don't say that, master. You're the closest thing I have to a father.
So...
1. Dick
2. Babs
3. Tim
4. Cass
5. Steph
6. Damian
I'm discounting Jason since half the fandom don't mind him not part of the family, Selina's only close when they're dating, and Duke has his own family, team and HQ, same with Kate. I can exclude Steph since she's closer to Babs and Tim, but she's already a Robin and Batgirl so I think she can be part of the inner circle. Honestly I can exclude Babs too and keep it to people adopted by Bruce, but she's such an iconic member she has to be there.
Also since Dick is in Bludhaven he can be excluded too, and you can include Duke or Helena
Oh I'd certainly count Jason.
Dick, Babs, Jason, Tim, and Damian are the ones I'd count as part of the close family, even when Jason is estranged.
Kate, Duke, Helena, and the rest are fringe members. Cass and Steph are somewhere in the middle range.
Selina is not part of the Batfamily in my mind. Perhaps that's my controversial opinion.
Metal was written by Snyder. Dukes creator who I think tried to push him a lot.
With Snyder (and his close co worker Tynion) now gone, I'm not sure if there is someone at DC who really interesting in pushing Duke.
And I mean just look at Batwoman, they were really pushing her for quite some time, and now it is mostly background appearances and an anthology story every now and than.
I don't think Duke will completely vanish, but going forward he might end up being used as much as Batwoman and Batwing.
Well if that's the case I'm adding Cass to the sixth since she's supposed to be adopted before the Reboot happened.
Otherwise, it goes like this.
The Fox Fam
- Jace
- Luke
- Tiffany
The Babs Fam (The Birds)
- Babs
- Cass
- Steph
- Helena
- Harper
The Hood Fam
- Jason
- Scarlet
- Clownhunter
The Kane Fam
- Kate
- Bette
The Bat Fam
- Bruce
- Tim
- Damian
- Duke
The Wing Fam
- Nightwing
- Defacer
- The Run-Offs
The Sirens
- Harley
- Ivy
- Bella
The Cat Fam
- Selina
- Holly
- Kitrina
The Outsiders
- Black Lightning
- Katana
- Ghost-Maker
- Azrael
Last edited by Restingvoice; 08-29-2021 at 12:27 AM.