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    -Dick Grayson should still be Batman, Dick was way more interesting than Bruce returning as Batman
    -Bruce should of never return to the Bat Mantle after he came back, He should of instead became something like the Oracle especially in the New 52
    -Tim Drake should of never been called (the laughable) Red Robin and instead he should of taken over the Nightwing Mantle during the whole transitioning period.
    -Bruce should change his mind and get more seriously into a romantic relationship instead of the usual temporary love interests
    -Batman needs more diversity in his Robin lineup than the usual straight caucasian child he finds like why can't Tim be interested only in guys and also be half Asian?
    -No live action Batman movie to this date really captures Bruce Wayne/Batman.

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    At the end of the day, I like my Batman to be Bruce Wayne, my Robin to be Dick Grayson, and my Batgirl to be Barbara Gordon.

    That's kinda how I grew up with them, and I don't like when multiple people start taking turns as the same identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post

    Balent drew Catwoman as a porn star.
    And Zod Bless him for that! Balent Catwoman is the sexiest Catwoman, and always be drawn that way (except perhaps in black & not purple).

    The 60's show is...terrible. It looks fantastic & authentic to the comic of the time, but Adam West was really bad and he should feel bad. And yes, I know the camp was intentional...it doesn't make it good.

    Dick should have moved on from costumed crime fighting after being Robin, and should have gone into law enforcement full-time. This would give Bruce another ally in the PD besides Gordon.

    Jason should have died heroically while following Bruce's orders, and remained dead.

    There is no in-story reason for Tim to be gay. What would this serve, story-wise? How would it make him a more interesting character? Instead, as much as I liked Tim pre-52, he should just not exist in the N52.

    Villains do not constantly need 6-issue evil plans. I like those, but occasionally just give me 22 pages of "Two-Face robbing the 2nd National Bank on the 2nd of February. Again." Sometimes I miss those.

    Joker works best as a mass murderer / serial killer type. The absolute dark mirror to Batman. Batman is order & never kills, Joker is chaos & kills everyone when he's done with them.

    Joker should be used sparingly, and only with permission of DC higher-ups. Make his appearances special, and only by the best writers.

    Joker works better as a Heath Ledger type. The white skin is makeup. Scars for a smile. No acid bath.

    Joker should be that one badguy that Batman can never catch.

    KnightQuest: The Search is better than people say. If Batman can be on the JL, then having his back healed by "magic" works just fine.

    AzBats era was one of the funnest, and although his descent to madness was predictable it was still fun to watch.

    Snyder couldn't write a decent ending if his life depended on it.

    Morrison's run is the best Batman run of all-time, and should have been the "final" Batman story of the Post-Crisis era.

    Christian Bale's Batman voice is great, and is the only realistic voice that could be used. If you saw a guy in a Bat costume at night, talking like mostly normal but with a whisper, you'd laugh at him. If Bale's Batman grabbed you at night, you'd sh!t your pants. Not necessarily because you'd think a giant bat creature was in front of you, but you'd see this guy & think "holy crap, this dude is crazy! I hope he doesn't have rabies or something".

    New 52 batsuit design is one of the best batsuits ever in the comics. It would be #1 if it were all-black, though.

    Batman should never have "special" suits ("The Insider" suit from Bruce Wayne: The Road Home, the "armored Iron-Man thing from Snyder's Court of Owls, etc.). If he has flightsuits sitting around, why would he ever leave the cave without them?

    And finally...

    Bruce should have a romantic relationship, a SERIOUS relationship, with a regular woman. NO heiress to a fortune. NO villain in disguise (Jezebel). No daughter-of-villain (Talia). No villain herself (Catwoman). No news reporter (Vicki Vale), no radio personality, no doctor, no cop. NOBODY that could ever serve a purpose for Batman in any way, shape, or form. A complete nobody. Just someone for Bruce to love, and someone to love him back.

    She never gets killed off. And she should know everything about him, and be supportive of it.
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    Oh, and Batman vs Predator is in the top 10 of greatest Batman stories of all-time. Writing & art don't get much better than this here. Should be given a deluxe hardcover treatment.
    "Darkseid...always hated music..."

    Every post I make, it should be assumed by the reader that the following statement is attached: "It's all subjective. What works for me doesn't necessarily work for you, and vice versa, and that's ok. You may have a different opinion on it, but this is mine. That's the wonderful thing about being a comics fan, it's all subjective."

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    Why do so many of you want Tim Drake to be gay? His character has never been gay, it doesn't make any sense... Snyder has already written a gay character, in the form of Cullen (and possibly Harper) Row. Homosexuality is not so common that there needs to be multiple relevant gay characters in the mythos...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggy View Post
    Why do so many of you want Tim Drake to be gay? His character has never been gay, it doesn't make any sense...
    But but Tim and Kon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark_Kent View Post
    Morrison's run is the best Batman run of all-time, and should have been the "final" Batman story of the Post-Crisis era.
    Yeah, I really agree with this one. During Batman Inc I really started to feel like I was reading the grand finale of the Bat mythos. I think the ending of Inc is pretty effective for that point, where we see that no matter what happens or how bad things get, Batman keeps on fighting and "Batman & Robin will never die." Now I personally think of Morrison's run as the climax and epilogue of the Batman's story, since the New 52 is technically a new world I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggy View Post
    Why do so many of you want Tim Drake to be gay? His character has never been gay, it doesn't make any sense... Snyder has already written a gay character, in the form of Cullen (and possibly Harper) Row. Homosexuality is not so common that there needs to be multiple relevant gay characters in the mythos...
    The whole "Tim is gay" thing comes from him being a teenage boy that refuses to have sex with girls with supermodel looks (then again, that seem to be the norm in the DCu) and his strong bromance with Kon, to the point where he creepily tries to clone him.

    As for my controversial opinions...

    The Burton films are really bad and so is the Batman character in them.

    Rucka ruined Talia, not Morrison.

    Alot of the women Rucka writers are all pretty similar. They're good characters, but he writes them way too predictably.

    Tim is an awful character that should have been erased with the reboot. He now just clogs up the timeline.

    Babs as Batgirl just doesn't work for me, even before the reboot. Oracle is just a better version of the character.

    The Long Halloween is pretty good, but each Loeb effort in the Batverse gets worse and worse until the crap that is Hush.

    Catwoman is better as a more villainous type, but if she is to be a hero I'd rather see her in a comitted relationship with Batman instead of the "will they, won't they" schtick which has gone on for too long now.

    The Joker is still a good villain, despite Snyder's effort.

    Snyder's work deserves neither the intense praise or hatred it gets.

    Batman had the punch from GL Rebirth coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mastermind View Post
    The whole "Tim is gay" thing comes from him being a teenage boy that refuses to have sex with girls with supermodel looks (then again, that seem to be the norm in the DCu) and his strong bromance with Kon, to the point where he creepily tries to clone him.

    Alot of the women Rucka writers are all pretty similar. They're good characters, but he writes them way too predictably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mastermind View Post
    The whole "Tim is gay" thing comes from him being a teenage boy that refuses to have sex with girls with supermodel looks (then again, that seem to be the norm in the DCu) and his strong bromance with Kon, to the point where he creepily tries to clone him.
    Ah alright well at least there's some basis in it
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    My thoughts continued:

    The Nolan Batman movies range from boring to good enough to terrible.

    Scarecrow is the best Batman villain.

    Morrison's Batman work is boring and overrated.

    Cassandra Cain should never have given the Batgirl moniker to Stephanie Brown.

    Doug Moench is one of the best Batman writers.
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    The characters and stories of the Burton films were terrible, and both movies were needlessly silly even when they tried to be dark.

    Keaton's Batman voice should be just as maligned as Bale's. All he does is whisper.

    Snyder's first few storylines in the Nu52 were mediocre retreads of material that's been done better before.

    Jason should never have been brought back.

    Had DC ever been willing to have a real female Robin Stephanie Brown would have been even better in the role than she later was as Batgirl.

    Batman Beyond is a mediocre cartoon. I dislike pretty much everything about it, from the future Gotham, to crochety Bruce, to Terry's costume.

    The Batman is very underrated. It's not close to BTAS, but it gets a lot right.

    TNBA that ran alongside the Superman cartoon wasn't anywhere near as good as the earlier BTAS. Too much batjerk. Lame new villains. Overall worse designs. And Batman became a pushover for having so much trouble with these lame villains.

    Subzero is the best direct to video Batman film.

    2000s Batman was a much bigger jerk than 90s Batman.

    No Man's Land was the last good Batman crossover until Morrison.

    For a modern setting I feel only Tim and Damian work as male Robins, because the whole 'Bruce's ward' thing doesn't fly in this day and age, and it makes the secret identity thing even more ridiculous. With the Nu52 now none of them work and the whole concept has been reduced to a joke.

    At a certain point the escalation becomes so bad that I just have to declare Batman a complete and utter failure. The previous continuity reached that point with War Games. So far the Nu52 hasn't reached that point. For once the 5 year timeline helps a little, and there's a better explanation for why the gang war is so bad in Eternal.

    I don't like Catwoman as a romantic interest. She's better as a villain most of the time.

    Dick/Starfire>Dick/Babs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark_Kent View Post
    Oh, and Batman vs Predator is in the top 10 of greatest Batman stories of all-time. Writing & art don't get much better than this here. Should be given a deluxe hardcover treatment.
    This is one of my favorite tales too. I wish they had a new edition of it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nepenthes View Post
    All Star Batman is the one and only origin of Dick Grayson

    Dark Knight Strikes Again is the most fun ever had in Batman comics

    Scumachers Batman & Robin > The Dark Knight Rises

    Batman should be shown to have a better diet - he should be constantly devouring protein bars on rooftops and mixing up shakes from tap water in peoples kitchens.

    Barbara Gordon can be Oracle AND Batgirl at the same time - see Batman Incorporated #8.

    Kate Kane and Maggie Sawyer should NOT be married....just yet.

    The Joker should be cured with neural surgery and hidden away from the world in the Batcave as Alfred's new apprentice.

    The Batman editors and DC in general should follow the lead of whats happening outside the comics more closely. In terms of content, style, marketing, cross promotion, everything. Comics are far too insular
    Haha, these are awesome! Although I liked The Dark Knight Rises so I disagree there.

    Some other things:

    1. Damian Wayne should stay dead. His story is over.

    2. If Talia is resurrected, she should continue to be a global-empire badass. When she gets mad and puts on that skull mask, it's all kinds of awesome.

    3. Tim Drake is irrelevant.

    4. Unmasking Dick was a great move as he'll finally become his own man as a Jason Bourne-like super-spy.

    5. I never liked Oracle and I don't want her to return in any capacity.

    6. I kind of like Joker's Daughter. She's just really really crazy and unlike most other female villains.

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    i want to see jason todd in his own solo book, fighting crime as the red hood in DC's worst city, Hub city. (it is not like the question is using it)

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