PREVIEW: Uncanny Avengers, #5

[jen]

Poor Rogue stuck on this team.

#FreeRogue

[Wandacrystal22]

This is becoming insulting with the retcon. I use to love Remender on Uncanny, but now this stuff is happening.

[Kurolegacy]

This is becoming insulting with the retcon. I use to love Remender on Uncanny, but now this stuff is happening.

It's kinda like a combination of rubbing salt in an open wound, flipping off those of us who dislike the retcon and taunting us at the same time.

[TheCatBastet]

I thought the flashback with Magneto kneeling to Pietro and Wanda was at the Original Sin reveal.

Was Magneto involved in an Original Sin storyline? I must have missed that. (Soooooo many comics out there. )

[jmc247]

It's kinda like a combination of rubbing salt in an open wound, flipping off those of us who dislike the retcon and taunting us at the same time.

They have been doing that since Axis.



Really.

Its been a fair bit of taunting of fans of the family and confusing Magnus family fans with being straight up all x-fans which they aren't then trying to play the MCU vs. Fox card.

[Kurolegacy]

They have been doing that since Axis.



Really.

Its been a fair bit of taunting of fans of the family and confusing Magnus family fans with being straight up all x-fans which they aren't then trying to play the MCU vs. Fox card.

And worse of all, it's all been Remender doing it. We need to give this to someone we can trust like PAD. He could fix this mess.

[Blu_Spyder]

And worse of all, it's all been Remender doing it. We need to give this to someone we can trust like PAD. He could fix this mess.

Hey in PAD I trust, but the Wanda/Pietro/Magneto retcon came from higher up in the food chain at Marvel (editorial, yep Rick Remender was "just following orders"), so even if Peter David could untie this new gordian knot,he (and other writers) are not allowed to do it. So just like OMD, this retcon will be here to stay (sadly)

[Kurolegacy]

Hey in PAD I trust, but the Wanda/Pietro/Magneto retcon came from higher up in the food chain at Marvel (editorial, yep Rick Remender was "just following orders"), so even if Peter David could untie this new gordian knot,he (and other writers) are not allowed to do it. So just like OMD, this retcon will be here to stay (sadly)

Which seriously sucks considering how much work PAD put into building the familial relationship between Pietro and Lorna only for that to be taken away. PAD definitely deserves better.

[Byakko]

There's still the chance for an ass-pull, somewhere. There's still Erik and Magda's original babies still unaccounted for, because unless explicitly stated, that means it still happened. Magda arrived at Wundagore pregnant, she gave birth to a pair of twins in Bova's presence, then she left and died.

Where are those twins? If the retcon takes hold, according to the High Evolutionary, he picked up two children from the gypsies, and then put them back. He wasn't talking about Magda's twins because they are Magneto's.

Unless it's some Mr. Sinister-level cloning hijinks because omg.

And yeah, this whole thing was a corporate mandate. That's why Remender has just put in filler, endless filler. And because Secret Wars is happening, he can give even less of a fuck as everything will be wiped clean if needed.

Honestly if he wasn't interested in bringing his A-game, and since Secret Wars was already chugging along, why bother starting this story arc at all? Leave it on that 'cliffhanger' at the end of AXIS, where you 'hint' it, but not too much, so you can build on it after Secret Wars. We didn't need this story told, especially since there's nothing much to it at all!

[Kurolegacy]

There's still the chance for an ass-pull, somewhere. There's still Erik and Magda's original babies still unaccounted for, because unless explicitly stated, that means it still happened. Magda arrived at Wundagore pregnant, she gave birth to a pair of twins in Bova's presence, then she left and died.

Where are those twins? If the retcon takes hold, according to the High Evolutionary, he picked up two children from the gypsies, and then put them back. He wasn't talking about Magda's twins because they are Magneto's.

Unless it's some Mr. Sinister-level cloning hijinks because omg.

And yeah, this whole thing was a corporate mandate. That's why Remender has just put in filler, endless filler. And because Secret Wars is happening, he can give even less of a fuck as everything will be wiped clean if needed.

Honestly if he wasn't interested in bringing his A-game, and since Secret Wars was already chugging along, why bother starting this story arc at all? Leave it on that 'cliffhanger' at the end of AXIS, where you 'hint' it, but not too much, so you can build on it after Secret Wars. We didn't need this story told, especially since there's nothing much to it at all!

I think we passed asspull already somewhere between Axis and the story HE told them about their origin. All Marvel has done was taken something people were perfectly fine with for decades and made it needlessly convoluted, especially since we now have another set of twins to account for.

[gurkle]

People complain about tie-ins, but this whole series has been a warning sign about what happens to a team book when it just gets to ignore the rest of the line. Both volume 1 and 2 have been so disconnected from the main Avengers series that it feels irrelevant (one exception was when the Uncanny Avengers team showed up in Bendis's All-New X-Men; it may have been an excuse for Bendis to make fun of Havok's "don't call me a mutant" speech, but it worked). The only time this cast felt relevant to the larger Marvel universe was during Axis, and they didn't publish this book during Axis .

Maybe it'll all read better in the trades when no one cares whether other books are crossing over with it. (Remender was the inker of Avengers during the Kang Dynasty arc, and not a single book acknowledged the existence of that story either.) Then again, maybe not.

And I say this as someone who has no inherent problem with the Magneto retcon. If it's happening in a bubble apart from the rest of the line, a revelation like this just feels underwhelming, that's all.

[Kurolegacy]

People complain about tie-ins, but this whole series has been a warning sign about what happens to a team book when it just gets to ignore the rest of the line. Both volume 1 and 2 have been so disconnected from the main Avengers series that it feels irrelevant (one exception was when the Uncanny Avengers team showed up in Bendis's All-New X-Men; it may have been an excuse for Bendis to make fun of Havok's "don't call me a mutant" speech, but it worked). The only time this cast felt relevant to the larger Marvel universe was during Axis, and they didn't publish this book during Axis .

Maybe it'll all read better in the trades when no one cares whether other books are crossing over with it. (Remender was the inker of Avengers during the Kang Dynasty arc, and not a single book acknowledged the existence of that story either.) Then again, maybe not.

And I say this as someone who has no inherent problem with the Magneto retcon. If it's happening in a bubble apart from the rest of the line, a revelation like this just feels underwhelming, that's all.

Even more sad is that in spite of Axis having originally been meant for Uncanny Avengers not one of the members of the team were relevant in solving the problem of the event and instead were just mustache twirling villains whose lines could've been replaced with 'nyahaha' and there'd be no noticeable difference in quality.

[Byakko]

People complain about tie-ins, but this whole series has been a warning sign about what happens to a team book when it just gets to ignore the rest of the line. Both volume 1 and 2 have been so disconnected from the main Avengers series that it feels irrelevant (one exception was when the Uncanny Avengers team showed up in Bendis's All-New X-Men; it may have been an excuse for Bendis to make fun of Havok's "don't call me a mutant" speech, but it worked). The only time this cast felt relevant to the larger Marvel universe was during Axis, and they didn't publish this book during Axis .

Maybe it'll all read better in the trades when no one cares whether other books are crossing over with it. (Remender was the inker of Avengers during the Kang Dynasty arc, and not a single book acknowledged the existence of that story either.) Then again, maybe not.

And I say this as someone who has no inherent problem with the Magneto retcon. If it's happening in a bubble apart from the rest of the line, a revelation like this just feels underwhelming, that's all.

Not to mention this entire story literally happening off-world, on Counter-Earth, so as to be as far away as possible from the real relevant plotlines happening back on regular Earth.

And even then, this kind of revelation should affect Wanda and Pietro more...but it doesn't. This should be a personal story, literally this revelation does not affect anyone else but them. Yet we don't see or get anything from them at all. One brief outburst Pietro, Wanda's cool with it, and...nothing. That's it.

This is one of those times for the two to angst. Yet, no angst. Even just discussing the revelation after escaping HE, we don't get that.

The timing of this story arc is bad, its pacing is terrible, it's the equivalent of comic shovel-ware in the middle of a big summer sale month where all the blockbuster trades and you know a little event like Secret Wars happening.

Maybe that was the plan, to drown the new origin in the middle of everything else, just to lessen the backlash.

[Drakeon]

Its sad that THIS is the story we get from this.

On Breevoorts tumblr he answers every concern about the retcon being a fox thing by saying "this allows us to tell a story. We made this decision because there was a good story there"

If this is what is considered a good story, Im afraid to see what post Secret Wars will be like.

[gurkle]

And even then, this kind of revelation should affect Wanda and Pietro more...but it doesn't. This should be a personal story, literally this revelation does not affect anyone else but them. Yet we don't see or get anything from them at all. One brief outburst Pietro, Wanda's cool with it, and...nothing. That's it.

This is one of those times for the two to angst. Yet, not angst. Or just discussing the revelation after escaping HE.

There are some things comics do better now than they used to, and other things they used to do better in general. Soap opera is one of the things they used to do better. Compare the one Giant-Size Avengers issue where Wanda learns the Whizzer is her dad (remember the Whizzer?) and even though it's not a particularly good issue and a bad retcon that other writers immediately rejected, it has more weight to it without taking too much time away from the action.

Some writers just don't like soap opera (Hickman, Ellis), but in Remender's case I think he just likes everything to be slam-bang action all the time, occasionally interrupted by discussions of the ethics of killing and whether humanity deserves to survive. He wants the story to be constantly intense, but it means relationship stuff gets shoved off-panel, like when Wasp/Havok and the renewed Scarlet Witch/Wonder Man romance came almost out of nowhere.