Last edited by aja_christopher; 06-22-2015 at 11:17 AM.
From me perspective we are the "switch things up" phase in the last 10 years and there is no end to see.
The schema is roughly like this: Promoted, changed , put through dirt , killed off.
We have seen it countless times first the X-Men->promoted(movies)->changed in comics (more more mutants)->killed off(M-day), some goes for Avengers/Cap/Iron-man with CW, the last was "Times run out" with a few hand picked characters. The UU titles were a bit different put the killing off was more literally.
It clear that they need to replace some characters through the fact they burned down so many put I didn't foresee that they do it triple the uselessly put some one into the change/dirt cycle(X-Men), putting some new outside the line into the game (Cap/Thor) and killing some off (Black Bolt) and spare some heroes from recent events (Iron-man, Black Panther, Dr.Strange) to sell them.(Ah awkward). This is the characters side and we still missing our good old stories were a villain shows up with a plan to conquer the world.
I know good and new ideas which built up enough tension in a superhero story are not so easy to make but eh that what they are paid for.
Maybe it is just this moment in time where Hickman's story isn't finished and the changes aren't full in effect so we can actually see the new Marvel Universe but it looks and feels like Marvel Comics are off the rails for now and they try to get into overdrive and burning through their engine.
So I do the same I went more into DC comics, they changed also a few things up but at least the stories looks not so different from when I looked into it the last time.
Well then drop it, I only buy titles featuring certain characters (that's why I've stuck with Marvel since childhood) that I love, I've tried following creators for a bit but found that while they may be an excellent fit for one title (Gillen on X-Men, Waid on Daredevil, they are a poor fit for another Gillen's Iron Man run, Waid's Hulk.)
If "All New Marvel" turn's out to be a continuity nightmare with all these different cherry picked universe heroes trying to act like everything is normal then I'll probably be done with Marvel.
What you say about self-race-hatred is true. It also makes assumptions about OP's character and opinion that are not part of the post.
The post (as I read it) states that he would rather have new characters of color, rather than have character's he has liked over the years altered. Also, his objections are not solely race based: note that one of his issues with the new MU is that Marvel is attempting to supplant Spider-Man's face-of-brand role with Iron Man. I will grant you that it's an angry post, perhaps even overly so, and the solutions proposed are not likely feasible for a number of reasons.
However, the OP's post doesn't automatically make him a deliberate tool of a racist agenda, nor does it mean that he hates people of his own color, which is what your interpretation implicitly states. Disagreeing with your position on issues in which race is a portion of the debate do not automatically make the other party a racist. Issues of equality and racism are never going to make any progress unless people move away from that assumption.
Sooooooooooooo, you don't like the changes Marvel is making so you are going to DC because they are innovative? You realise innovation requires change, right? Not to mention, though I don't follow DC very closely, a lot of their newest books seem to be copying Marvel's push both in diversity and in books with a lighter, more all-ages tone.
As has been pointed out already, saying that diversity should come from entirely new characters is tantamount to saying we shouldn't have diversity. Here's the quote, because Prof Warren expressed it very well:
It's also worth pointing out that the closest Marvel has come to promoting a new diverse character in the way the OP says they should is Kamala who he then goes on to complain about appearing in ANAD Avengers. What happened toand1. Create [or in this case feature] that character in a popular title to give him that attention?3. You PROMOTE the character anywhere you can
It's just hollow, insincere hand-waving.
To O.P.:
In regards to your 5 step process, they did that for ms marvsl nova and miles Morales, but u don't seemed too pleased about them.
Also, while agree ms marvel should not be on the team, nova and ultimate spiderman have both earned their spots.
Sure, nova is a kid, but he also is extremely powerful due to the nova force, he defeated the hulk in axis, has saved the world multiple times in his short tenure, and was already enlisted as a reserve avenger at the end of axis.
I don't know much of miles Morales, but he has already taken the mantle of his worlds spiderman, I believe he was an ultimate and worked with his shield, and has some hero experience.
Kamala...yeah, she doesn't belong.
Your point are, at times good at times very wrong.
I just want to say, chill out, is not that bad. Jane/thor is actually quite enjoyable read, and Falconcap had his own good moment when not derailed by this or that event. But even for events, things are getting better. Secret Wars is simply delihgtful.
so keep calm. Everything is in flux, times go on, the comcic world is nowaday huge, is not that there are no othe roption of comic to read.
Relax. You don't like it? Drop it. A this point we as fandom should be mature enough that we should not compelled to follow a comic we don't like just because feature a character, or a nominal title we used to like. comic is an old enough medium, and MC an old enough franchise(thank god it merged with disney or i would not have bet on its survival beyond another 20 years at best.)
Bingo. It's not easy to just toss out new guys. Legacy or new guy-there will always be an issue.
It comes down to are you willing to HONESTLY give a new guy a shot?
It does not hurt to read that book and give an HONEST opinion about it.
But the main folks crying are those who won't read the book in the first place.Disagreeing with your position on issues in which race is a portion of the debate do not automatically make the other party a racist. Issues of equality and racism are never going to make any progress unless people move away from that assumption.
They are the ones who scream I hate Black Panther but can't tell you the story line or issue that they read that made them dislike the character.
All they see is a minority that in their minds has no business in comics.
It's that vocal bunch that we keep hearing.
One major difference between Marvel & DC.
Marvel-the majority of your POC & LGBT are established guys with histories. Along with new ones.
DC-They have buried the majority of their established POC with a few new ones. Their face of minorities is a black guy missing body parts.
At least Marvel is giving you a variety of POC that folks are interested in.
Now in terms of book tones-you are right.
Nope, it's just refuting the idea that black people can't be racist towards black people. Had little to do with the OP.
Besides the "make new characters" argument being the biggest load of crap comic fans love hugging when diversity is brought up, him screaming about PC is not helping his case in the least bit.The post (as I read it) states that he would rather have new characters of color, rather than have character's he has liked over the years altered. Also, his objections are not solely race based: note that one of his issues with the new MU is that Marvel is attempting to supplant Spider-Man's face-of-brand role with Iron Man. I will grant you that it's an angry post, perhaps even overly so, and the solutions proposed are not likely feasible for a number of reasons.
Didn't imply the latter (or the former, again, it was refuting another post), but about the former, I think trying the "make new characters" argument without doing research as to WHY creators aren't going for that, or better yet, why he isn't looking beyond the Marvel universe for those new characters, is supporting an agenda he probably doesn't want to.However, the OP's post doesn't automatically make him a deliberate tool of a racist agenda, nor does it mean that he hates people of his own color, which is what your interpretation implicitly states. Disagreeing with your position on issues in which race is a portion of the debate do not automatically make the other party a racist. Issues of equality and racism are never going to make any progress unless people move away from that assumption.
The other part is hogwash you trying to box well above your weightclass, also an assumption of why I posted what I did.
Last edited by Double 0; 06-22-2015 at 01:32 PM.
"Race is a social construct, they say. And I remind them that money is a social construct, too. Social constructs have power." — DeRay Mckesson
@ Double 0-NO, I do not hate my own people, I'm just a normal american comic book fan who doesn't like what he sees from Marvel and has the RIGHT say what I don't like, just like people that rag on Dc's New 52. Don't assume!! I like what DC's doing, I don't like what Marvel is doing and this is coming from a HUGE Marvel fan growing up.
And to the people that are saying that Marvel does diversity with their teenage heroes....THEY ARE STILL names from prexisting WHITE MALE/FEMALE HEROES. And Sam is basically a joke. Sam defeated the Hulk.....RICHARD RIDER TOOK ANNIHULUS INTESTINES FROM HIS STOMACH. I also don't like how Jeph Loeb created Sam to be an idiot. Kamala is adorable so I don't have that much an argument since her character is great. Miles is a hit and miss. He can be interesting, but Bendis needs to get his grip off him and let someone else write him.