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    Speaking as a southerner, I want that flag gone. It's embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelC View Post
    Speaking as a southerner, I want that flag gone. It's embarrassing.
    im from the south to what part are you from/live in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    point is the Confederate flag means different things to different people you look at it and its a racist symbol others see it as southern pride its all subjective to opinion to me at the end of the day its just a flag.
    Even a cursory look at the Confederate constitution and other documents like the Texas Declaration of Secession will tell you exactly what the Confederate flag stood for; the defense of the South's practice of human bondage and trafficking. Claiming anything else is taking a position of blatant and willful ignorance.

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    In fact, here's an excerpt.

    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    im from the south to what part are you from/live in?
    Not sure about him, but my family roots are from Northeastern Arkansas. My grandparents were great people, but they lived in a scary place.
    Dark does not mean deep.

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    the Confederate flag is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    Even a cursory look at the Confederate constitution and other documents like the Texas Declaration of Secession will tell you exactly what the Confederate flag stood for; the defense of the South's practice of human bondage and trafficking. Claiming anything else is taking a position of blatant and willful ignorance.
    Thankfully the rest of America never did any of the same things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    yes it WAS what the Confederate flag stood for back in the civil war today the flag means different things to different people just like a lot of other flags and you have to admit the stars and bars is a beautiful looking flag.
    Considering that much of the resurgence of the Confederate flag popping back up on state buildings happened during the civil rights movement I'm going to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simbob4000 View Post
    Thankfully the rest of America never did any of the same things.
    Seceding from the Union and forming their own country for the sole practice of protecting the slave trade? Yeah they did. They were known as the Confederacy.

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    the Confederate flag is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    your right on the civil rights part but what im trying to say is not all ppl see the Confederate flag as a racist symbol its true a lot use it as one but its allso true a lot do not.
    Just because some people claim not to see it as a racist symbol doesn't change the fact that it is a racist symbol.

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    the Confederate flag is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    it's used as a racist symbol yes but it doesn't change the fact that we all dont think of it as one in the far east the swastika is a Buddhist symbol FYI i know black and white ppl who do not see it as a racist symbol and lots of others who do its all up to opinion.
    It's disingenuous at best to compare Southerners living in the heart of the states that make up the former Confederacy to Asians living a continent and a half away from Nazi Germany.
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    the Confederate flag is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    it's used as a racist symbol yes but it doesn't change the fact that we all dont think of it as one in the far east the swastika is a Buddhist symbol FYI i know black and white ppl who do not see it as a racist symbol and lots of others who do its all up to opinion.
    All the thinking in the world won't change what it actually is.

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