Secret Wars #4 spoiler

[NunoTaborda]

Ok... Here we go...

spoilers:

Explanations start and we can see that no one from the raft likes to see Doom as a God. Cyclops however as a ideology linked to the Phoenix power he has now... He kind of understands what Doom has done. We get to see some fighting and the Thors asking Doom God for help (he doesn't care with mortals). Sue points out that the force field that the Maker use can withstand Mjolnir and her's can't. Valeria points out Thanos massive power. Strange appears with everyone else from the Raft. The battle of "words" begin... Thanos unleashes his full power. Phoenix Scott VS Doom God = Phoenix Scott death. Strange saving every one else and standing against Doom God = Strange death.

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[Double 0]

The following is brought to you by God Emperor Doom. He is God. F**k with him and you will die. Doesn't matter who you think you are.

Long May He Reign.



But seriously, this issue had me SO HYPED. Thors vs the Cabal, Thors AND the Survivors vs The Cabal, Doom's intervention, THAT ENDING! Secret Wars has all the makings of the best crossover since... I don't even know!

If I just had one wish, ONE WISH, it was for God Emperor Doom to let that Survivors/Cabal fight happen in it's entirety. I would pay for more pages just to see that.



Hickman and Ribic so far have been keeping a fantastic pace with this crossover. Providing some time to see at least some of the huge fight, allowing some time for further discussion, and having some scenes of pure eye candy! Around this point, even stuff like HoM and Civil War had already worn it's welcome, but we are half way and I still want more! Why can't it be bi-monthly!

[celeherald]

The Marvel App still hasn't posted it, I have no idea why they take so long when DC's updates so quickly.

[Biclopcicle]

Also a key point here- there are only two Reeds in all of Battleworld- Maker and 616 Richards. So Doom didn't kill any Reeds or steal Sue from any Reeds. But he did recreate Reed's family.

And that final interaction between Strange and Doom- priceless

[NunoTaborda]

Also a key point here- there are only two Reeds in all of Battleworld- Maker and 616 Richards. So Doom didn't kill any Reeds or steal Sue from any Reeds. But he did recreate Reed's family.

And that final interaction between Strange and Doom- priceless

And as far as we can see from the comics coming after this event, we don't see any Reed or Doom in any cover...

Agree... For those who thought that Strange was manipulating something somehow, we got to see that 616 Strange still had some principles...

And let's see how Reed will save this universe and all the characters (I'm starting to believe that Reed will be the hero, along with "his" family that Doom created).

By the way, I'm really licking to have 616 Spidey alive to make some jokes along the way

[Biclopcicle]

And as far as we can see from the comics coming after this event, we don't see any Reed or Doom in any cover...

Agree... For those who thought that Strange was manipulating something somehow, we got to see that 616 Strange still had some principles...

And let's see how Reed will save this universe and all the characters (I'm starting to believe that Reed will be the hero, along with "his" family that Doom created).

By the way, I'm really licking to have 616 Spidey alive to make some jokes along the way

Brevoort said on his tumblr that the leaked covers don't include all of the post SW books. So I think Doom and Reed's fate are (purposefully) still up in the air.

Man I cannot get over how awesome this issue (and the whole series thus far) is! Tough to wait 6 weeks for the next one. Sounds like the rest of the beans get spilt next issue, and then 6-8 is the conclusion. Based on the solicit, issue #7 is 56 pages. Maybe #8 will be oversized as well- that would give us basically 11 or so issues worth of material.

[MindofShadow]

So it looked like Doom didn't recognize Ultimate Reed Richards? Is there something different about Maker that he isn't likethe other Reeds or something? Or was Doom just so distracted by 616 Reed that he didn't care to notice Ult Reed?

Good to see Doom still has a Reed fetish despite his ultimate power... but how int he world do you stop someone strong enough to elminate Phoenix AND Strange with ease?

[Narasinha]

Also a key point here- there are only two Reeds in all of Battleworld- Maker and 616 Richards. So Doom didn't kill any Reeds or steal Sue from any Reeds. But he did recreate Reed's family.

Isn't there one traped in the "sun" ?

[PlanetaryDevastation]

Isn't there one traped in the "sun" ?

That's Johnny. Not Reed.

[Biclopcicle]

Isn't there one traped in the "sun" ?

That's a johnny storm

[jackolover]

Also a key point here- there are only two Reeds in all of Battleworld- Maker and 616 Richards. So Doom didn't kill any Reeds or steal Sue from any Reeds. But he did recreate Reed's family.

And that final interaction between Strange and Doom- priceless

Yes, even Doom was surprised when he saw a Reed Richards. But not as shocked when he learned it was the actual 616 version he so feared, and even in his god mode, Victor can't deny it, that he feared Reed Richards. This is a marvellous revelation that as wonderful as Doom has stabilised Battleworlds society, he is susceptible to this lowly, unresourced, fellow scientist. Why is that so?

[Xalfrea]

So the folks who were on the raft that were scattered will still retain their old memories? Gonna complicate matters, as was said.

[vitruvian]

Yes, even Doom was surprised when he saw a Reed Richards. But not as shocked when he learned it was the actual 616 version he so feared, and even in his god mode, Victor can't deny it, that he feared Reed Richards. This is a marvellous revelation that as wonderful as Doom has stabilised Battleworlds society, he is susceptible to this lowly, unresourced, fellow scientist. Why is that so?

Because history. You have to go back to actual FF Reed vs. Victor stories, there are so many times when Doom thought he had the upper hand and Richards defeated him anyway. Even the power of a god doesn't necessarily change that, not if Richards has time to learn about the situation and figure out a plan; it's not like Doom hasn't had nearly the power advantage he does now and still lost before, e.g., the time he stole the Surfer's Power Cosmic, the first Secret Wars, many other times.

[Hariel0079]

Cyclops dying was the best part for me.

You have no idea how the Cyclops appreciation forum truly feel that he was going to make the biggest impact in the story. (believe me they've been warned but they don't listen and many of them don't really follow much of marvel books anything that don't feat. cyclops. Now I cant wait til they start harping how SW simply sucks as an event in general cause Phoenix Cyclops didn't save the day.)

Plus the way cyclops came off before he died definitely suggested he was in it for himself and not so much everyone else around him.

Kudos's Johnathon Hickman. This is going to be the ultimate showdown between Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom.

So cyclops is dead and probably recreated by Doom and dumped in New York 616/1610 or The one in UE is a created ver. and Doom killed the real one.

Dr. Strange scattered everyone else so....

Thano's 616 is in IG
Star Lord 616 is in Upcoming Kitty and Star Lord mini
Carol 616 is in CM and Corps
Namor 616 is in A-Force
Tchalla and Reed is unknown. (probably hanging around in the main SW book)

Edit:

Dr. Strange and Doom was priceless
Thano's calling out Doom on his god hood was great and adding if not hinting there's more than meet's the eye to Doom. Also the point Valeria made about Thano's 616 being stronger than the BW iteration that is present.
Scott ideology being imbued with a cosmic nature god force and facing another god was ok but it definitely felt more like Scott giving off his own personal intentions than not.

[vitruvian]

Thano's 616 is in IG
Star Lord 616 is in Upcoming Kitty and Star Lord mini
Carol 616 is in CM and Corps
Namor 616 is in A-Force.

I don't think we can assume any of these are the 616 versions, or that those tie-ins are happening at a later point than SW #4. They could very well be alternate versions of the characters, with the 616 versions who were scattered here retaining all their original memories, since without those it will be much more difficult for them to oppose Doom's rule AND preserve Battleworld and/or create a new universe.