Dc readers respond to "all new all new different" marvel

[GlennSimpson]

I don't fall into that fanboy stuff either. Both companies have their pluses and minuses, and both of them seem to be in a bad place, for the most part.

I've learned over the years to follow the writers instead of the characters. The characters tempt me to try something out, but my money goes to the creative teams who impress and continue to impress.

While I agree that getting all militant about one company over the other is a bit silly, for those of us who don't really see much difference in the creative teams and are more interested in following characters, I would posit that focusing more on one company than the other allows one to not get punched in the wallet quite so bad when crossovers happen.

In other words, I've a theory that the more comics you were already buying involved in a crossover, the less one minds the fact that they did the crossover.

[Mahzian]

I'll be getting a bunch of the new Marvel titles, I have to hand it to them that Secret Wars is knocking it out of the park for me, some of the tie ins have been awesome too. From what's been announced I'll be getting the first issues (at least) of 20 series, that is a lot of Marvel for me (usually only get around 5-10)

[SwampyCA]

I was a Marvel junky in my youth (the 80s). After graduating from college I was out of the hobby for over 15 years until the new 52 came along.

After trying a dozen or so Marvel trades over the past few years, I give up.

For now I'll stick with my current mix of 70-75% DC/Vertigo and the rest Independents.

[skyvolt2000]

We just need to cut through the fat to find the good in both companies.

It's hard to trim fat when you got fans so scared to lose a character they that constantly support bad books.

I don't understand buying Teen Titans, hating it and still going to buy it. You can't go with the fear that Tim Drake will get sent to limbo because that book failed. If they want to be stupid to ignore fans telling them the creative team is the issue and not the cast-that is on DC. Marvel & others will gladly take that fan from DC.

I mean DC's new 52 was a failure for the most part .

It depends on who you are a fan of.

If you were a John Stewart fan (after the failed kill him movement)-you got to read John on his own/leading a team for the first time in 20+ years.
If liked Aquaman, Animal, Swamp Thing and a few others-you had reason to be happy.
It did give us I Vampire, Omac, Gotham Academy and some other gems.

Now if you were a fan of Wally West, Static, Blue Beetle, Cassandra Cain and others that got screwed over-you are probably the group that helped make Ms Marvel popular among others.

I'm just curious.

Why does Marvel "NEED" to reboot?

As is, it's already selling better than rebooted DC.

In fact, people have threatened to drop Marvel if they do it.

They didn't. I think this was more of getting Miles in the main universe as interest in the Ultimate Universe was pretty much only focused on him.

As for those folks threatening to drop Marvel-they fall into 2 groups

1) who honest want to read stories about certain guys (Despite those guys are still getting stories in other formats) or none of the titles honestly interest them.

2) the group who don't like WHO is being promoted. Especially if they happen to be a minority. They are the ones that can't just say "I am not interested in the title." They have to add stuff that insults minority readers, those characters fanbase and scream agenda. They have complained from the moment those promo images came out.

[JasonTodd428]

As for those folks threatening to drop Marvel-they fall into 2 groups

1) who honest want to read stories about certain guys (Despite those guys are still getting stories in other formats) or none of the titles honestly interest them.

2) the group who don't like WHO is being promoted. Especially if they happen to be a minority. They are the ones that can't just say "I am not interested in the title." They have to add stuff that insults minority readers, those characters fanbase and scream agenda. They have complained from the moment those promo images came out.

I don't fit in that second group at all but I also don't really fit entirely into the first one either. I would like to read certain books either because of the characters or the writers involved but the fact that a lot of books are being constantly derailed either by events or relaunches/renumbering really makes it difficult for me become invested in those titles or characters so I don't. I find that really frustrating and sad actually since I used to be all Marvel all the time.

[Lee Stone]

It's hard to trim fat when you got fans so scared to lose a character they that constantly support bad books.

I don't understand buying Teen Titans, hating it and still going to buy it. You can't go with the fear that Tim Drake will get sent to limbo because that book failed. If they want to be stupid to ignore fans telling them the creative team is the issue and not the cast-that is on DC. Marvel & others will gladly take that fan from DC.



It depends on who you are a fan of.

If you were a John Stewart fan (after the failed kill him movement)-you got to read John on his own/leading a team for the first time in 20+ years.
If liked Aquaman, Animal, Swamp Thing and a few others-you had reason to be happy.
It did give us I Vampire, Omac, Gotham Academy and some other gems.

Now if you were a fan of Wally West, Static, Blue Beetle, Cassandra Cain and others that got screwed over-you are probably the group that helped make Ms Marvel popular among others.



They didn't. I think this was more of getting Miles in the main universe as interest in the Ultimate Universe was pretty much only focused on him.

As for those folks threatening to drop Marvel-they fall into 2 groups

1) who honest want to read stories about certain guys (Despite those guys are still getting stories in other formats) or none of the titles honestly interest them.

2) the group who don't like WHO is being promoted. Especially if they happen to be a minority. They are the ones that can't just say "I am not interested in the title." They have to add stuff that insults minority readers, those characters fanbase and scream agenda. They have complained from the moment those promo images came out.

Gotham Academy wouldn't fall under New52, I think.
That's definitely a DCYou title.
As is Grayson and the Fletcher/Tarr Batgirl.

[Cipher]

I would posit that focusing more on one company than the other allows one to not get punched in the wallet quite so bad when crossovers happen.

I think this is more or less my take. Although I'd never describe myself as ardently pro-DC as opposed to Marvel, I do tend to only buy monthly comics from one company (dipping into Marvel for isolated collected runs much more sparingly).

The other factor is that superhero books are very much my guilty-pleasure genre reading. Even the greatest writers, outside of a few A-listers, are hampered by the limits of the endless superhero serial. If you're following creators and value the weight of their writing in an unrestrained setting, it makes far more sense to focus on independent work rather than either of the two big superhero companies. But, knowing what I want from the genre -- and knowing that outside of superhero comics my taste in fiction runs almost wholly literary -- by and large DC's world is the one I have more fun with, and since I've been reading monthly there hasn't been a lack of titles from it to eat up my comic-book budget.

[Boss607]

Marvel is a joke now. I'm all about DC & the indies. Spider-Man, Old Man Logan, Web Warriors & Extraordinary X-Men are the only books I'll be getting. Gambit being Matt's sidekick is upsetting.

Yep, I used to consider myself a Marvel fanboy but I'm done with them for now.

Between the constantly new #1 garbage and the forced uber-PC relaunch that's not a re-launch, I'm done with them for awhile.

I have nothing against being inclusive and diversifying your line-up but to do it all at once and at the expense of certain beloved characters rather than more organically, it just feels wrong. The tail is wagging the dog. Honestly, who needed or wanted a female Thor? Or a female Wolverine? There was nothing wrong with X-23 as X-23. Making her Wolverine just so you can say "OMG look how inclusive and forward-thinking we are! We turned one of our biggest heroes into a woman!!" it just disgusts me. She couldn't be one of your biggest heroes just as X-23?

So fraudulent.

That's not even pointing out that apparently no women are allowed to appear at all sexy now. Covered head to toe. I don't need girls running around in bikinis but it just makes it obvious that there's a very strong political edict behind all these books and it rubs me the wrong way how heavy handed it is.

[Cipher]

That's not even pointing out that apparently no women are allowed to appear at all sexy now. Covered head to toe. I don't need girls running around in bikinis but it just makes it obvious that there's a very strong political edict behind all these books and it rubs me the wrong way how heavy handed it is.

Oooor ... they're just treating them like people and with equal practicality to male characters?

Were you really buying superhero comics for sex-appeal?

[Boss607]

Give me a break. It's super-hero comics. They should be a bit bombastic. There's nothing wrong with a little sex appeal. Half these characters have impenetrable skin and all of them can come back from the dead, anyway.

They could all fight naked, if need be.

Besides, if cosplay and halloween is anything to go by, most girls prefer to go revealing and impractical with their super-hero costumes.

[Lee Stone]

Give me a break. It's super-hero comics. They should be a bit bombastic. There's nothing wrong with a little sex appeal. Half these characters have impenetrable skin and all of them can come back from the dead, anyway.

They could all fight naked, if need be.

Besides, if cosplay and halloween is anything to go by, most girls prefer to go revealing and impractical with their super-hero costumes.

Most female superheroes did in the 90s.
They just spray-painted their costumes on to save on laundry bills.

[Cipher]

Give me a break. It's super-hero comics. They should be a bit bombastic. There's nothing wrong with a little sex appeal.

I think it's one of the genre's most embarrassing tropes, but to each their own.

[CSTowle]

While I'd agree in theory that there's nothing wrong with selling sexual appeal in general, it does get embarrassing when I'm trying to lend or recommend comics to people who haven't grown up with the hobby and aren't used to the over-the-top nature of the scantily-clad costumes for women.

It's hard enough trying to get anyone over the age of 13 to buy into people in colorful spandex costumes, and when you have to add on jutting ass poses, thrust-out chests, and Greg Land porn shots it's nearly impossible to get them to look past it to anything good underneath. It's a black eye on the hobby, and I'd just as soon leave it to the Zenescopes and Avatars.

Not saying it has to be done away with completely, but when it's front and center and the first thing people are seeing it's no wonder a lot of women (and boys past puberty) dismiss it at a glance. It's a distraction from what I think is a pretty great little hobby.

[Boss607]

While I'd agree in theory that there's nothing wrong with selling sexual appeal in general, it does get embarrassing when I'm trying to lend or recommend comics to people who haven't grown up with the hobby and aren't used to the over-the-top nature of the scantily-clad costumes for women.

It's hard enough trying to get anyone over the age of 13 to buy into people in colorful spandex costumes, and when you have to add on jutting ass poses, thrust-out chests, and Greg Land porn shots it's nearly impossible to get them to look past it to anything good underneath. It's a black eye on the hobby, and I'd just as soon leave it to the Zenescopes and Avatars.

Not saying it has to be done away with completely, but when it's front and center and the first thing people are seeing it's no wonder a lot of women (and boys past puberty) dismiss it at a glance. It's a distraction from what I think is a pretty great little hobby.

Wait, you think they're dismissing it because of the occassional T&A shot?

As opposed to the constant fight against evil in colorful spandex with wacky codenames, people constantly returning from the dead, long-lost relatives and super-powers and magic? Lol

The very nature of superhero comics will always be viewed as something childish because they're such a departure from reality. Which is exactly my point. They're a departure from reality, that's why we buy it.

[Lee Stone]

While I'd agree in theory that there's nothing wrong with selling sexual appeal in general, it does get embarrassing when I'm trying to lend or recommend comics to people who haven't grown up with the hobby and aren't used to the over-the-top nature of the scantily-clad costumes for women.

It's hard enough trying to get anyone over the age of 13 to buy into people in colorful spandex costumes, and when you have to add on jutting ass poses, thrust-out chests, and Greg Land porn shots it's nearly impossible to get them to look past it to anything good underneath. It's a black eye on the hobby, and I'd just as soon leave it to the Zenescopes and Avatars.

Not saying it has to be done away with completely, but when it's front and center and the first thing people are seeing it's no wonder a lot of women (and boys past puberty) dismiss it at a glance. It's a distraction from what I think is a pretty great little hobby.

Don't forget those amazing brokeback shots that manage to get both in the same pic.
Lol.