The Killing Joke animated movie

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Looks like this is finally happening
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/...animated-film/
Interesting since this is clear break from the new 52 stories they have been following with the new animated movies

Actually it's not they said 2 films will be in continuity ie. new 52 stuff and 1 film won't ie JL gods and monsters. Infact considering how short the source material is this could be a bonus feature not part of their current 3 movie slate.

[lancerman]

And that's the goddamn problem with it. It fridges Barbara in a story that's the faceoff between too men. At best it's just all too common of a story. There's nothing novel about it and female characters constantly deal with that issue.

A lot of people look at that way out of context. From the early 70's to late 80's she was in a handful of stories and a good deal of them she had minor roles. By the time of The Killing Joke she was barely active and falling into obscurity. Then she became Oracle and became a fixture of the Bat verse again. In the long run it helped her a lot more than that one moment hurt her.

It would almost be like if in 5 years something similar happened to Cassandra Cain and it brought her back to prominence again in the comics. Yeah that wasn't the intention. But if you were a fab of the character it aw way better than what you were getting the last ten to 15 years.

[The_Greatest_Username]

A lot of people look at that way out of context. From the early 70's to late 80's she was in a handful of stories and a good deal of them she had minor roles. By the time of The Killing Joke she was barely active and falling into obscurity. Then she became Oracle and became a fixture of the Bat verse again. In the long run it helped her a lot more than that one moment hurt her.

It would almost be like if in 5 years something similar happened to Cassandra Cain and it brought her back to prominence again in the comics. Yeah that wasn't the intention. But if you were a fab of the character it aw way better than what you were getting the last ten to 15 years.

In no way did the Killing Joke help the character. Kim Yale and John Ostrander (the Suicide Squad writers at the time) were the ones who helped the character because they were appalled by how badly the character was treated.

[C_Miller]

A lot of people look at that way out of context. From the early 70's to late 80's she was in a handful of stories and a good deal of them she had minor roles. By the time of The Killing Joke she was barely active and falling into obscurity. Then she became Oracle and became a fixture of the Bat verse again. In the long run it helped her a lot more than that one moment hurt her.

It would almost be like if in 5 years something similar happened to Cassandra Cain and it brought her back to prominence again in the comics. Yeah that wasn't the intention. But if you were a fab of the character it aw way better than what you were getting the last ten to 15 years.

Certainly. I don't want to minimize Oracle. Because Oracle was an awesome part of the DCU and I do wish that she still had traits of Oracle (something I think they slightly robbed the character of when the gave her back the use of her legs). But let's not pretend that The Killing Joke should get any credit for that. It was two writers making something better out of a terrible situation.

[Angilasman]

It's like the actual comics part of DC Comics is moving forward in an interesting way (or at least they're trying) while other parts of DC haven't got the memo.

Seriously, could they have chosen a more tone deaf move than adapting The Killing Joke right now?

[Nite-Wing]

Actually it's not they said 2 films will be in continuity ie. new 52 stuff and 1 film won't ie JL gods and monsters. Infact considering how short the source material is this could be a bonus feature not part of their current 3 movie slate.

The Killing Joke is pretty short in comic form but an actual movie would probably be much longer since you'll want to establish Babs as Batgirl too before she gets shot. Maybe show some scenes with the various Joker origins
Those Showcase format shorts are for less popular characters
I have to say the people absolutely against this comic for reasons having nothing to do with quality are surprising. I mean this is a Batman and Joker story before it even gets considered as a Batgirl story.
Its almost like when Batman has horrible things happen to him no one is against it but if a character who exists in the same world as him has something bad happen its just too terrible.

[Sacred Knight]

On one hand I sorta really want this story to go away. It doesn't offend me or anything. Its just dated. On the other if they can manage to actually craft it to feel 80s, then it could almost be like a period piece.

[HellHere]

I hope they get away with everything,if they're making this story then they have the right to adapt it in it's full glory as the creator intended, it's a story about Batman and the Joker not Barbara Gordon.

Which is why what they do to her in it is even more horrendous. Oh, we crippled this character and strongly implied she's sexual assualted, but it's not about her, it's actually about these two guys...

[Agent Z]

On one hand I sorta really want this story to go away. It doesn't offend me or anything. Its just dated. On the other if they can manage to actually craft it to feel 80s, then it could almost be like a period piece.

This I can agree with.

[Confuzzled]

Which is why what they do to her in it is even more horrendous. Oh, we crippled this character and strongly implied she's sexual assualted, but it's not about her, it's actually about these two guys...

Not to mention that all the atrocities committed on her were just to break yet another man in the story. The Joker should have just gone ahead and stuffed her mangled body in the fridge at the end.

[Confuzzled]

In no way did the Killing Joke help the character. Kim Yale and John Ostrander (the Suicide Squad writers at the time) were the ones who helped the character because they were appalled by how badly the character was treated.

You mean getting shot in the spine and sodomized doesn't automatically make you an ace computer hacker and covert missions leader? Whaa...?

[HeWhoSlapsAll]

Which is why what they do to her in it is even more horrendous. Oh, we crippled this character and strongly implied she's sexual assualted, but it's not about her, it's actually about these two guys...

Yup, she's a victim of being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. That's life, and it makes what happened to her scarier: the Joker didn't even know who she was, and was gonna shoot anyone that wasn't Jim Gordon opening that door. She's a victim, just like Bruce's parents, just like Jason, just like Dick's parents were, etc.

That part should stay. People love to talk about Barbara's tragedy, and it's tragic, as if something like that shouldn't happen to female characters ever. No, they should overcome horrible things happening to them too. Horrible things happen to everyone, and that includes females.

People dislike what happened to Jason, but it's still a good story, and made a good movie. And that was worse than what happened with Barbara. With Timm at the helm, this has the potential to be great.

[Immortal Weapon]

Yup, she's a victim of being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. That's life, and it makes what happened to her scarier: the Joker didn't even know who she was, and was gonna shoot anyone that wasn't Jim Gordon opening that door. She's a victim, just like Bruce's parents, just like Jason, just like Dick's parents were, etc.

That part should stay. People love to talk about Barbara's tragedy, and it's tragic, as if something like that shouldn't happen to female characters ever. No, they should overcome horrible things happening to them too. Horrible things happen to everyone, and that includes females.

People dislike what happened to Jason, but it's still a good story, and made a good movie. And that was worse than what happened with Barbara. With Timm at the helm, this has the potential to be great.

A thousands times this. Sure Barbara ended up getting the worst of it but came out of it as a stronger character later.

[thwhtGuardian]

A lot of people look at that way out of context. From the early 70's to late 80's she was in a handful of stories and a good deal of them she had minor roles. By the time of The Killing Joke she was barely active and falling into obscurity. Then she became Oracle and became a fixture of the Bat verse again. In the long run it helped her a lot more than that one moment hurt her.

It would almost be like if in 5 years something similar happened to Cassandra Cain and it brought her back to prominence again in the comics. Yeah that wasn't the intention. But if you were a fab of the character it aw way better than what you were getting the last ten to 15 years.

You didn't need to shoot her and possibly rape her to bring her back though, it was the solid writing after the fact that made her relevant not the killing joke and that solid writing could have easily been done with an able bodied hero if it had been allowed.

[Agent Z]

Yup, she's a victim of being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. That's life, and it makes what happened to her scarier: the Joker didn't even know who she was, and was gonna shoot anyone that wasn't Jim Gordon opening that door. She's a victim, just like Bruce's parents, just like Jason, just like Dick's parents were, etc.

That part should stay. People love to talk about Barbara's tragedy, and it's tragic, as if something like that shouldn't happen to female characters ever. No, they should overcome horrible things happening to them too. Horrible things happen to everyone, and that includes females.

People dislike what happened to Jason, but it's still a good story, and made a good movie. And that was worse than what happened with Barbara. With Timm at the helm, this has the potential to be great.

Which is not what happens in the story. It was other writers who had Barbara come out stronger than this, whereas she was just a plot device in the TKJ.