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  • ANOLE [Victor Borkowski]

    26 3.55%
  • BLING! [Roxanne ‘Roxy’ Washington]

    12 1.64%
  • CULLEN BLOODSTONE

    20 2.73%
  • DAKEN AKIHIRO

    42 5.74%
  • HULKLING [Theodore ‘Teddy’ Altman]

    35 4.78%
  • KARMA [Xi’an Coy Mahn]

    39 5.33%
  • KAROLINA DEAN

    43 5.87%
  • LOKI LAUFEYSON, God of Mischief

    62 8.47%
  • MOONDRAGON [Heather Douglas]

    38 5.19%
  • MYSTIQUE [Raven Darkholme]

    107 14.62%
  • NORTHSTAR [Jean-Paul Beaubier]

    59 8.06%
  • PRODIGY [David Alleyne]

    21 2.87%
  • RICTOR [Julio Esteban Ricter]

    35 4.78%
  • SHATTERSTAR [Gaveedra-7]

    45 6.15%
  • WICCAN [William ‘Billy’ Kaplan], the Demiurge

    148 20.22%
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    Definitely not surprised that one rumour about a certain gay character appearing in Endgame was fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfMagnetism View Post
    Definitely not surprised that one rumour about a certain gay character appearing in Endgame was fake.
    Well, it was fun for a little while to believe/have hope.
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    I had a hard time believing they were gonna pull the trigger on the Young Avengers this early.

    https://twitter.com/VanityFair/statu...56421866049537

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    Well, at least we now know that same-sex loving men exist in the MCU. Yay?

    Seriously, though, they did the baarrreee minimum. Color me shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed View Post
    Well, at least we now know that same-sex loving men exist in the MCU. Yay?

    Seriously, though, they did the baarrreee minimum. Color me shocked.
    What was that, I'm 90% sure I missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    What was that, I'm 90% sure I missed it.
    Go read my earlier spoiler-marked response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexusTenebrare View Post
    spoilers:
    It's not even an actual Marvel character. It's just a random normal human talking about a date he went on with a guy where they both ended up crying because of survivors guilt from the snap. It's a very minor scene that can easily be cut out for russian and chinese audiances.

    Other than that there is zero LGBT content. No previous rumours actually happen. No sightings of Billy or Teddy. Nothing. Disappointing, but not unexpected.
    end of spoilers
    Wow, no wonder I missed it. I'm not even gay but I would feel shafted.

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    Edgame spoilers:

    spoilers:
    Valkyrie is now Queen of Asgard, awesome. Now if only they'd confirm her bisexuality onscreen.
    end of spoilers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    I had a hard time believing they were gonna pull the trigger on the Young Avengers this early.

    https://twitter.com/VanityFair/statu...56421866049537
    People have been speculating about the Young Avengers joining the MCU in the near future, but I knew it wasn't gonna' happen anytime soon. Despite what some people at Marvel want us to believe it's still gonna' be a while before we see actual gay superheroes in their movies, same goes with Star Wars.
    Last edited by MasterOfMagnetism; 04-26-2019 at 08:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokken View Post
    That preview image showed the boys in their Heinberg era attire. I know, I know, I KNOW -- its probably silly to judge on the outfits ALONE but I've such high hopes for any and all appearances I'm finding myself easily let down by those kinds of "errors".

    Maybe error is too strong a word but...inaccuracies? I still don't really understand the premise of their involvement so I'm also IGNORANT AF but the aesthetic thing got me shook. <lowers head in shame>

    https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/04/15/...-howard-387029
    Oh, I get the frustration about artists not getting the looks of the characters right. It's something I wish editorial was more organized about, because it happens way more often than it should. But it's not a dealbreaker for me if the book turns out to be really good.

    Anyway, I've been thinking and... maybe the old looks might not even be a mistake? Like, judging by the premise (the fear of becoming obsolete and being surpassed by a new generation), maybe Billy and Teddy wearing their old outfits as a way to relive their old days could be an actual plot point?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfMagnetism View Post
    Ok, so I kinda want to vent about something to other gay superhero fans so please bare with me if this turns into a very cynical rant.

    I've been pretty frustrated with all the rumours and lack of confirmed info from Marvel about this upcoming Eternals movie. I have never expected Marvel (or any other studio for that matter) to give us the gay equivalent of Black Panther or Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel. As much as I would love to go see a movie about a gay male superhero and then walk out of the theatre with my hands stretched to the sky and tears running down my face while I shout; "Finally! FINALLYYYYY!" I just don't expect that to ever happen.

    When these rumours of Marvel looking for an openly gay actor to play the lead character in an upcoming movie started I was skeptical and obviously I still am, but nonetheless I still felt the glimmer of hope. However as the weeks have gone by and the rumours have changed again and again, it feels like each time the glimmer of hope fades more and more.

    What I mean is that I was hoping that The Eternals would finally give us a full-fledged gay superhero on the big screen, the gay equivalent of Captain America, Thor, Superman, Black Panther, etc. But what little information about this movie that there is suggests that it won't do that. The rumours kept changing and now it doesn't sound like the gay character is going to be the real "lead" in this movie. It looks more and more like this will be a film centered around a different character, most likely Angelina Jolie's character, and that any gay character (if there even is one) will be just a minor supporting character in a crowded cast.

    My hope that we would finally see a gay man driving the plot and being in the center of the action and admiration of a mainstream blockbuster movie has now been replaced with the suspicion that the gay character is going to be the supportive friend who helps the main character(s) regain their confidence so they can be the one(s) to defeat the villain and save the day.

    I might be wrong about this, I certainly hope that I am wrong. Maybe the gay character will be central to the plot of the story, maybe he'll get a cool action scene, maybe he'll even get a compelling story arc... or maybe he'll spend most of the movie's runtime standing in the background lending words of encouragement. The character has been described as “intellectual, emotional, and has a strong sense of family”, maybe that description can apply to a wide range of characters and I'm worried over nothing. Maybe I should just be happy that they might include a gay character at all even if he is just a minor supporting figure instead of the new Thor. I don't know, I just wish Marvel would hurry up and give us some concrete details about this movie and what we can expect.
    I get your frustration, but if it is rooted in not knowing much and not being given too much information about it, I think it's fair to point out that I don't think it's because Marvel doesn't care, but rather because Feige has said a couple of times now that they're not ready to officially announce anything about phase 4 until phase 3 ends. So we will have to wait until Spider-Man: Far From Home comes out to have an actual clue about what's going on with those future projects. Let's hope for the best...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    When they say lead they just mean a main character on a team movie. The thing about Ikaris and Sersi was said before it was rumored that there was gonna be a gay character in the movie. Seriously, imagine if they made that Inhumans movie and decided to make, idk, Karnak gay. Would you be "But they say it's gonna focus on Black Bolt and Medusa!!!!" as a complaint? I just don't get it.
    Yeah, lead character could mean a lot of things, specially in an ensemble movie. Think of the Thor franchise: Thor was obviously the lead character and at least 2/3 of the movies focused on his heterosexual romance with the female lead. However, Loki was a big part of that same franchise, and is now even getting his own TV spin-off. One could argue Loki was one of the leading characters of the Thor franchise, even if he wasn't necessarily ''the face'' of it. If they can give this ''James'' character the same level of relevance Loki got? That's more than enough for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fokken View Post
    This kind of discussion is what I often enjoy most when people bring up Jean Paul & Kyle and Billy & Teddy and has me wondering about whether this sort of debate/concern/interest is as strong with our lesbian couples ( Karolina & Nico, Angela & Sera, America & Ramone, Valkyrie & ....that one girl, etc etc) and if the masc vs femm is a talking point or not in that arena.
    That's an interesting point you bring up. I don't see as much discussion about the whole fem/masc dynamics between queer female characters in media, but then again I don't know if it's because that doesn't actually happen as much or if it's because I'm just not exposed to the fandom of female queer couples as much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anduinel View Post
    NGL, I think America's solo broke a lot of her fans. Even outside of the boards, it feels like enthusiasm for the character just dropped off a cliff.
    Not just her fans, but a lot of people outside of her fandom who don't even want to give the character a chance anymore. It's like she can't even be brought up anywhere without people coming out of the woodwork just to point out how much of a ''failure'' she is because of her solo. It's really sad, because the character has a lot of potential. I hope Marvel can bring back that excitement everyone seemed to have for the character back when she was with the Young Avengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    That's an interesting point you bring up. I don't see as much discussion about the whole fem/masc dynamics between queer female characters in media, but then again I don't know if it's because that doesn't actually happen as much or if it's because I'm just not exposed to the fandom of female queer couples as much.
    It's mostly men having the conversation, so it makes sense we'd all (gay or straight) know what it's like growing up with the pressures to conform to 'manly' stereotypes, and all the jerky behavior that can result (from as deadly serious as violent gay-bashing to as seemingly trivial, but equally misogynistic, as making whip-cracking sounds when a male friend takes a call from his girlfriend or wife and seems 'too deferential' and not 'appropriately' dismissive of her).

    I'm sure women have their own horror stories about 'copping' each other's behavior to be 'appropriately feminine,' but it's not something many us dudes have personally experienced (although I'm sure plenty of us know a 'tomboy' who has been called a slut for hanging out with the boys whom she shares interests with or whatever).

    Not just her fans, but a lot of people outside of her fandom who don't even want to give the character a chance anymore. It's like she can't even be brought up anywhere without people coming out of the woodwork just to point out how much of a ''failure'' she is because of her solo. It's really sad, because the character has a lot of potential. I hope Marvel can bring back that excitement everyone seemed to have for the character back when she was with the Young Avengers.
    Fortunately, while the recent 'West Coast Avengers' team wasn't for everyone, America has been treated pretty well there. It's a left-handed compliment to be sure, but anyone is bound to feel like a breathe of fresh air when on a team with controversial characters like Quentin Quire and Gwenpool.

    I mean sure, she had a bad solo, but at least she didn't start a drug-fueled telepathy-induced riot that got people killed and others sent to prison, and is now marketed as 'misunderstood woobie' who is the subject of a crush by the sister of the Cuckoo *who died* shutting down his riot (and even before having a reason to do so, regarded him with contempt).

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    Sooo, I just watched Endgame and I have to say, I'm pleased with the LGBTQ representation we got. Was it much? No. But the directors never promised it was going to be much. They never even confirmed the film was going to have a queer character; one of them just said it was going to happen sooner than we think. I appreciate the fact that they didn't try to make a big deal out of it or advertise it as something that wasn't going to be there. Not queerbaiting your audience is a good sart. It was a single short scene, but the fact that we had an EXPLICIT mention of someone feeling a same-sex attraction in the biggest movie Marvel Studios has ever produced meant a lot, IMO. It showed us that Marvel is ready. It showed us just how easy it is to make it happen. And the fact that spoilers:
    it was a character played by one of the directors made that a very, very special scene, because they knew it was a scene people were going to pay attention to and talk about. And yeah, it's likely we're never gonna see that character again
    end of spoilers, but I don't think that's the point. I think the point was to really just take that first step and show us that we can expect a certain kind of diversity and representation going forward. I always imagined that's how their first queer character was going to be done anyway. It doesn't mean it's going to be like that forever.

    And oh, I just loved how spoilers:
    Steve seemed very ok with the guy talking about his date with another man. As the Young Avengers fanboy that I am, it kind of reminded me of that glorious moment in the comics where he says he doesn't have any problem with Billy and Teddy's relationship, which was, IIRC, probably the first time we had Steve Rogers ever explicitly supporting LGBTQ people in the comics.
    end of spoilers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    And oh, I just loved how spoilers:
    Steve seemed very ok with the guy talking about his date with another man. As the Young Avengers fanboy that I am, it kind of reminded me of that glorious moment in the comics where he says he doesn't have any problem with Billy and Teddy's relationship, which was, IIRC, probably the first time we had Steve Rogers ever explicitly supporting LGBTQ people in the comics.
    end of spoilers
    No, in the comics Steve had an openly gay friend Arnie Roth who he rescued from kidnappers who tried to brainwash him. Accepting Billy and Teddy's relationship was not the first time Steve was shown to be supportive of gay people. Ironically when they changed MCU Bucky from a teenager to an adult friend of Steve's who helped protect him from bullies they were taking Arnie's backstory and giving it to Bucky. So despite the "Stucky" ship being so controversial MCU Bucky is literally partially based on a gay character.
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    Steve is supposed to represent the BEST that America has to offer, but sadly doesn't always live up to. So him not having a problem with LGBT fits that as well. I mean during WWII he had no problems having a Black man, and Japanese-American, and a woman as part of his "inner circle." Nor did he have a problem with Fury being in charge (well not based on his race, he more disagreed with Fury's tactics).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    Sooo, I just watched Endgame and I have to say, I'm pleased with the LGBTQ representation we got. Was it much? No. But the directors never promised it was going to be much. They never even confirmed the film was going to have a queer character; one of them just said it was going to happen sooner than we think. I appreciate the fact that they didn't try to make a big deal out of it or advertise it as something that wasn't going to be there. Not queerbaiting your audience is a good sart. It was a single short scene, but the fact that we had an EXPLICIT mention of someone feeling a same-sex attraction in the biggest movie Marvel Studios has ever produced meant a lot, IMO. It showed us that Marvel is ready. It showed us just how easy it is to make it happen. And the fact that spoilers:
    it was a character played by one of the directors made that a very, very special scene, because they knew it was a scene people were going to pay attention to and talk about. And yeah, it's likely we're never gonna see that character again
    end of spoilers, but I don't think that's the point. I think the point was to really just take that first step and show us that we can expect a certain kind of diversity and representation going forward. I always imagined that's how their first queer character was going to be done anyway. It doesn't meant it's going to be like that forever.

    And oh, I just loved how spoilers:
    Steve seemed very ok with the guy talking about his date with another man. As the Young Avengers fanboy that I am, it kind of reminded me of that glorious moment in the comics where he says he doesn't have any problem with Billy and Teddy's relationship, which was, IIRC, probably the first time we had Steve Rogers ever explicitly supporting LGBTQ people in the comics.
    end of spoilers
    I admire your optimism and positive spin on this. If this is a first step, then absolutely it's a good thing. I'm just concerned how long it's going to take to get to an actually relevant, openly LGBT character to be in the MCU. We've already had 20+ movies that could have included this baby first step, so we'll see how many more movies it takes to get an openly LGBT hero to join the ranks. Progress could easily be made with Valkyrie or Carol or maybe with this potential Eternals character, but I'm not going to get my hopes up until we see it. Really hoping we see something more by the end of Phase 4...

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